Why in my opinion is Islam the completing religion to all others
Well, I still think that everything you say is beside the point. I am just asking you to tell us 'why do you think Islam is the best religion? Simple, right? With all the due respect to the Coran and Hadith and Prophet, just tell us, your humble opinion. We agree that the sources said that, but why you think this way? Why? Just answer the 'why' question. Balash better than other religion part. JUST WHY DO YOU THINK ISLAM IS THE DEEN MUKAMEL? Please don't use any islamic sources. Just your personal opinion.
6/7/2005 11:28:10 PM
This question was part of ongoing comments on Haal's blog "A message from within" regarding a post titled "Can it be" (u can refer back to it for more details if u wish).
In the course of what I may call a very hot conversation which elevated way more than I imagined, I was explaining that Moslems are bestowed with a one step ahead privilege in the sense that we believe in all religions sent prior to Islam and acknowledge them. We are told Islam was no different than the earlier religions; it was just the completion of the earlier ones. We are all equal in terms of humanity, but not in religion.
To be clearer, religions were sent in gradual form, the commandments were set forth in steps not all at once. Islam was the final religion sent to mankind.
My personal opinion IS the outcome of and according to evidence in the Quraan and the Hadeeth (Prophet Muhammed's sayings and directions for lives of moslems).
Islam is a logical religion and its teachings and commandments are filled with balance, I have been exposed to other religions, maybe not in depth, but many discussions took place during a certain period of my life, and I enjoyed watching debates amongst scholars, Moslem and non Moslem, Christian mainly.
I had a lot of confusion, and I asked myself why Isalm? Why not any other religion? Why any religion? Why all that confusion? Why couldn't there have been but one religion. As time went by, i realized it is one religion after all.
I spoke to different people, to priests and to some Jews as well. But I was just not convinced, even in the way they lead their lives on a day to day basis. I was still very confused. There came a time when I think I was just living in complete emptiness. I had drifted away from everything anyone around me had been following. More and more, I felt insecure, lost and alone.
One day, I said out loud: I need a sign! I need to be into something but I am not sure what it is. Believe me; I was practically pulled back somehow.
6/7/2005 11:28:10 PM
This question was part of ongoing comments on Haal's blog "A message from within" regarding a post titled "Can it be" (u can refer back to it for more details if u wish).
In the course of what I may call a very hot conversation which elevated way more than I imagined, I was explaining that Moslems are bestowed with a one step ahead privilege in the sense that we believe in all religions sent prior to Islam and acknowledge them. We are told Islam was no different than the earlier religions; it was just the completion of the earlier ones. We are all equal in terms of humanity, but not in religion.
To be clearer, religions were sent in gradual form, the commandments were set forth in steps not all at once. Islam was the final religion sent to mankind.
My personal opinion IS the outcome of and according to evidence in the Quraan and the Hadeeth (Prophet Muhammed's sayings and directions for lives of moslems).
Islam is a logical religion and its teachings and commandments are filled with balance, I have been exposed to other religions, maybe not in depth, but many discussions took place during a certain period of my life, and I enjoyed watching debates amongst scholars, Moslem and non Moslem, Christian mainly.
I had a lot of confusion, and I asked myself why Isalm? Why not any other religion? Why any religion? Why all that confusion? Why couldn't there have been but one religion. As time went by, i realized it is one religion after all.
I spoke to different people, to priests and to some Jews as well. But I was just not convinced, even in the way they lead their lives on a day to day basis. I was still very confused. There came a time when I think I was just living in complete emptiness. I had drifted away from everything anyone around me had been following. More and more, I felt insecure, lost and alone.
One day, I said out loud: I need a sign! I need to be into something but I am not sure what it is. Believe me; I was practically pulled back somehow.
Down deep inside I really wanted to know. There was something major missing. Till this day came, I was in a discotheque/bar in Sharm El Sheikh, and it was the time when different cities in Egypt were experiencing earthquakes.
A very hard one had started, and I found myself unintentionally reciting Quraan and Duaa. I kept saying them and did not move from my place although so many people around me had started screaming and running frantically. I was scared, but strange enough as I recited verses from the Quraan, I was granted a strange feeling of peace. Since that night on, I started thinking more, and I kept stumbling into people whom were into religions and we had talks and talks. I believe that was Allah's answer to my request of a sign, I needed guidance, and He granted it in the simplest form.
Ever since, I've been taking steps forward. It took some time, but thank God I did and still trying to take more steps ahead. This is what Allah wants from us, to keep trying. He knows we will fall, but I guess he expects us to get up and continue the journey according to his rules as best as we can. And as long as we are trying He will always give us help, even at moments when we are not so close to Him and we ask for His support he grants it. I am saying this with confidence because I was in similar situations. I was quite distant where Islamic practices were concerned, but I always tried to keep up with my prayers and certain conducts f Mo3amalat (al din al mo3amala so to speak). Believe me, Allah is extremely compassionate.
I have not become the way that I am now (trying to be of strong belief that is, still have a long way ahead of me) out of the blue, or blindly as haal and others accuse or think. I am truly convinced because I questioned so many things back then but without publicly saying or doing things that might offend, mislead or confuse others. I did not create confusion. I was the only one confused and when I spoke of the matter with others, it was in the form of seeking knowledge rather than nullifying, or arguing concret teachings or beliefs in religion, even though I was not so sure of anything and actually had doubts.
The main idea is in our quest for the truth, or knowledge, we must be very careful not to cause confusion. Allah expects us to do that and allowed it since he gave us free will, but with keeping our limits.
Conclusion for this part is, now I feel that I was really wrong to doubt things the way I did and thank God I didn't die back then because I would have really been in lots of trouble.
Now back to the main question, why Islam is al Din Al mukamel (the completing religion) and why I believe it is the best religion is because of simple LOGIC.
There has been a marvelous synchrony to the order of divine teachings to mankind. There were so many prophets sent to mankind, 27 mentioned in the Quraan and many others, but Allah did not tell us of their names and stories (probably has a wisdom behind it). All the prophets that were sent were in fact Moslems, and calling for Islam. Maybe the names were different but the commandments were all leading to a final stage; Islam.
A very important part of Moslem faith includes the belief that all prophets are the same and had but one message, (chosen by the one and only God and Creator, ALLAH) and that was the submission to the will of ALLAH and no other. Islam itself means the submission to the will of Allah.
As Moslems, we should believe in all those prophets and divine teachings as they were before they had been tampered with since the basics were the same as in Islam, but then Prophet Mohammed was chosen to complete and fulfill Allah's commandments to mankind, that which he did and Allah emphasized on that by saying
"اليوم أكملت لكم دينكم واتممت عليكم نعمتي"
In Islam there is respect for all prophets and books with no discrimination.
"ءامن الرسول بما انزل إلية من ربة والمؤمنون كل ءامن بالله وملئكته وكتبه ورسله لا نفرق بين أحد من رسله وقالوا سمعنا واطعنا غفرانك ربنا وإليك المصير"
(سورة البقرة أية 285)
Briefly, Non Moslems on the other hand do not share the same view and do not acknowledge the prophets and divine books the way Moslems do and most importantly do not Acknowledge that Allah is one with no partner and that Prophet Muhammed was the final prophet sent to all mankind, which is the most essential part in the declaration of complete faith in Allah.
That is in my humble opinion, as haal mentioned, is why I know Islam is considered Al Din al mukamel.
Readers of this post, if u r non Moslem, please note that this is just a glimpse of why Islam should be embraced by all people, I do not mean to offend anyone, because again I emphasize, Moslems respect and acknowledge all other divine religions.
For detailed information, please visit www.harunyahya.com. Many topics are beautifully covered about Islam over there, including the Islamic view of the prophets and many other aspects that might shed some light about Islam for those who might be interested to know.
I would just like to say, last but not least, We are all here for a very short period of time, we shall be asked about this life, how we spent it, what we did in it and so forth…
P.S. I will include translation for the verses above very soon, just didn't have the time now and was so anxious to post this!!
I have not become the way that I am now (trying to be of strong belief that is, still have a long way ahead of me) out of the blue, or blindly as haal and others accuse or think. I am truly convinced because I questioned so many things back then but without publicly saying or doing things that might offend, mislead or confuse others. I did not create confusion. I was the only one confused and when I spoke of the matter with others, it was in the form of seeking knowledge rather than nullifying, or arguing concret teachings or beliefs in religion, even though I was not so sure of anything and actually had doubts.
The main idea is in our quest for the truth, or knowledge, we must be very careful not to cause confusion. Allah expects us to do that and allowed it since he gave us free will, but with keeping our limits.
Conclusion for this part is, now I feel that I was really wrong to doubt things the way I did and thank God I didn't die back then because I would have really been in lots of trouble.
Now back to the main question, why Islam is al Din Al mukamel (the completing religion) and why I believe it is the best religion is because of simple LOGIC.
There has been a marvelous synchrony to the order of divine teachings to mankind. There were so many prophets sent to mankind, 27 mentioned in the Quraan and many others, but Allah did not tell us of their names and stories (probably has a wisdom behind it). All the prophets that were sent were in fact Moslems, and calling for Islam. Maybe the names were different but the commandments were all leading to a final stage; Islam.
A very important part of Moslem faith includes the belief that all prophets are the same and had but one message, (chosen by the one and only God and Creator, ALLAH) and that was the submission to the will of ALLAH and no other. Islam itself means the submission to the will of Allah.
As Moslems, we should believe in all those prophets and divine teachings as they were before they had been tampered with since the basics were the same as in Islam, but then Prophet Mohammed was chosen to complete and fulfill Allah's commandments to mankind, that which he did and Allah emphasized on that by saying
"اليوم أكملت لكم دينكم واتممت عليكم نعمتي"
In Islam there is respect for all prophets and books with no discrimination.
"ءامن الرسول بما انزل إلية من ربة والمؤمنون كل ءامن بالله وملئكته وكتبه ورسله لا نفرق بين أحد من رسله وقالوا سمعنا واطعنا غفرانك ربنا وإليك المصير"
(سورة البقرة أية 285)
Briefly, Non Moslems on the other hand do not share the same view and do not acknowledge the prophets and divine books the way Moslems do and most importantly do not Acknowledge that Allah is one with no partner and that Prophet Muhammed was the final prophet sent to all mankind, which is the most essential part in the declaration of complete faith in Allah.
That is in my humble opinion, as haal mentioned, is why I know Islam is considered Al Din al mukamel.
Readers of this post, if u r non Moslem, please note that this is just a glimpse of why Islam should be embraced by all people, I do not mean to offend anyone, because again I emphasize, Moslems respect and acknowledge all other divine religions.
For detailed information, please visit www.harunyahya.com. Many topics are beautifully covered about Islam over there, including the Islamic view of the prophets and many other aspects that might shed some light about Islam for those who might be interested to know.
I would just like to say, last but not least, We are all here for a very short period of time, we shall be asked about this life, how we spent it, what we did in it and so forth…
P.S. I will include translation for the verses above very soon, just didn't have the time now and was so anxious to post this!!
posted by Dalulla at 2:44 AM
46 Comments:
I don't know who you are/ your age/ your interests; however your testimony is neat and honest and I like it.
It's funny though, that during an Earthquake in Egypt (1992) I experienced something similar to you; except that the Bible was the one that gave me peace.
However, I can explain that by many ways: 1) Every person who looks for a sign gets it (notably see in the movie sare' el farah)...
2) The name of God gives peace (even for Buddhists and Hindus). The idea that you're helpless but that you find refuge in someone external, a father, a creator is always really pacifying. That's not just a psychological mirage, it's a true spiritual moment of self-abandonment.
Now, I am not pleased with the way you view the different religions. You could have met "priests" or "jews", but it means nothing about your knowledge of other religions. To say that all prophets were "moslim" using a Qur'anic reference is not funny and insignificant to non-muslims. Indeed, the word "muslim=surrender him/herself to God" is nice and applies to each prophet. It's the same as the word "mo'men". Can you say that all prophets were "mo'menin", then if I come with a religion I call "Iman", it's the true religion?
You have all the right to be muslim and enjoy it, but please give me a break and don't tell me how I should view my Lord as a "Moslem prophet". It's like Chrisitans calling "Mohammed, PBUH" a Chrisitan follower who started a sect. Both are equally ridiculous allegations.
To say that Christians do not recognize "Allah" as the only one with no partner is another weird way of understanding Christianity. All Christians think God is one, but have a different definition to him. Would you say that "Allah" has 98 partners because of the 98 other names? Silly... isn't it?
Finally, and that's why I'm not gonna be a Muslim, with all my respect to Quran but not to Hadith (Have you read all Hadith... Some of them I cannot imagine how people believe in them.
The life of the Islam founder is really questionable, and please don't tell me that it's "mostashreqin attacks and enemies of Islam". The amount of killing he did "In the name of Allah" is unbelievable (other Jewish prophets were war criminals, I know- still doesn't make a man who came after Jesus continue to kill in the name of God, soimething strongly denounced by Jesus and annihilated by him and his disciples who teached not to face evil by evil).
Again, I respect your religious choice, but I don't accept your claims about my religion as being a "predecessor" or "precursor" that needed Islam to be completed.
The last thing is about "the last/sealing prophet argument". Too weak!!
Would you call the Mormon prophet, the Scientology prophet, the New Age propheets true ones or false ones? Mormons have a book. Jehova's witness havea book that they use together with the Bible as reference. Does this mean they are true? Their books have never been "altered". Does this mean they are holy and true??
It's not about who came last. It's about who gives life and hope, and this is my opinion and my faith.
And no.. I don't think-like many Christians-that non-Christians will go to Hell or are stupid or whatever. This is something that's left to God/Allah/Yahweh/O'm. But it's about a choice that makes one alive and a fountain of love.
I suggest, among many things, to re-edit the accusation that 'other religions dont acknowledge that Allah is one'. Christians do have a huge theology/philosophy to the idea of 'Trinity' that is interesting to listen to.
But what in the teaching of Islam that makes it mukamel. It isn't just that it came the last one in sequence that made it the most complete? there is sure something there in its teaching, structure, that qualifies it for that role, and this is what I wished you had talked about.
last thought, if we got ourselves trapped in which religion is mukamel, which is better...etc, then we are just drifting from the path, wasting our times instead of concentrating on the real message, as you partly said, that gathered all religions and prophets, that is 'surrender'/submission oneself to The creator. Once you did that, or strive to do that,....or ...or.. then you are on the right path. It wont really matter which religion do you follow. However, meanwhile, you dont have to denounce ones religion to another, but instead to go from one 'level' to another 'deeper level' in the connection with the Creator. The ONE.
To the just Christian: I will try to be as brief and to the point as possible. Therefore, I will state my reply to your comment in a list form:
1) That scared books/scriptures giving us spiritual support can't be taken as a standard for "superiority" of a given religion/faith over another. I recommend that you read Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World" to know that during the 30-years war in Germany, the Germans (belonging to different and antagonistic Christian denominations) used to exclaim: "Gott mit uns!" (God with us!)
2) You criticised Muslims for being self-referential. OKay, who is not? Till recently, Muslims were called "Mohammadans" (due to the influence of their Christ-ian referentiality! Up till now, a Mosque is called a Muslim "Church" by many westerners!!
What Muslims want to make clear about all prophets being named "Muslims" (including Jesus) is the following: the word "Islam" is NOT and should NOT be confined to Mohammed (PBUH), or the "founder of Islam" as many Christians like to call him, rather; Islam is a continuum for monotheism. If there's a discontinuity in the history of Islam, why did the 'author' of the Holy Quran bother to mention all those prophets in the first place?
3) The comparison between the Christian theological system ("Trinity") and Allah's having 99 names is quite erroneous and misleading. Christians believe, according the Trinity, that God is three-in-one. The three (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) are 'persons'. It is illogical - of course - to find analogy between being a 'person' and being a 'name'. One 'person' may well have endless 'names', but is it a logical necessity that multiple names refer to multiple persons? You say it!!!
4) Mentioning the Hadith as a ‘proof’ for not being a Muslim is quite absurd and fallacious. I can pick – very easily – heaps of quotations from the Bible that defies any sense of human reason!! I believe the West is living now a ‘post-Christian’ age, to quote the U.S. literary critic Harold Bloom, because of the scandalising errors in the Bible!!
5) Again the same excuse for attacking Islam: bloodshed. First, the killings executed by the “founder of Islam” is not “unbelievable” as you claimed compared to the ever-brutal killings undertaken by Christians against both Muslims and Jews (reportedly more than 2 million souls!!!!!!!) in Spain after the fall of Granada 1492. Just another Holocaust!
Christians normally refer to Jesus Christ as a ‘peacemaker’ and preacher of ‘humility’, but it’s it quite confusing and misleading that such ‘humble peacemaker’ would proclaim “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34).
6) Islam is the complete faith not because it is the ‘last’ one, nor because it enjoys an ‘unaltered’ holy book (even though pious Christians believe the Bible is equally unaltered!!) As you may know, Christianity had to adopt the Jewish Torah (in the Old Testament) as a ‘supplement’ (as a source of divine legislation).
hi i just want to write my comment to the just Christian , ok , i am taking some parts from what u wrote and i answer it ,
1- how I should view my Lord as a "Moslem prophet". It's like Chrisitans calling "Mohammed, PBUH" a Chrisitan follower who started a sect. Both are equally ridiculous allegations.
Moslem means to submit the one’s will to Allah
Well this is the main debate , we believe that Allah is one and prohet Isa (peace be upon him ) is but a messenger like the rest of messengers (peace be upon them) who passed and who will folow , i.e prophet Mohamed (ppbuh) . and they were all calling for the same thing , to worship only God and obey his rules. that is from muslims’ point of view.
2- To say that Christians do not recognize "Allah" as the only one with no partner is another weird way of understanding Christianity. All Christians think God is one, but have a different definition to him. Would you say that "Allah" has 98 partners because of the 98 other names? Silly... isn't it?
No God has 99 names doesn’t mean there are 98 partners , they are names that describe God’s features like ( Rahman, Rahim , Al Khalek ,..etc) ok, so this is clear .
3- but not to Hadith (Have you read all Hadith... Some of them I cannot imagine how people believe in them.
Can you give me an examples of which ahadeeth that you don’t belive how people belive in them ? some ahadith are weak ones and some are true and strong, there are certain ائمة that we take from elahadith which are strong, I mean that they were really naratted by prophet moahmed (PPBUH) for sure
Beside it is interesting enough to know that some ahadith were proved to be true scientifcally , although they maynot be passing enough in your mind , sometimes I ask myself how past people believed in that while it showed the hekma of it later and was proved later
4- The life of the Islam founder is really questionable, and please don't tell me that it's "mostashreqin attacks and enemies of Islam". The amount of killing he did "In the name of Allah" is unbelievable (other Jewish prophets were war criminals, I know- still doesn't make a man who came after Jesus continue to kill in the name of God, soimething strongly denounced by Jesus and annihilated by him and his disciples who teached not to face evil by evil).
Some people claim that islam came by sword! Weired enough is that when you read the stories of the close followers from prophet Mohamed (PPBUH) in early isalm, how they gave everything up and their welath and they were tortured by Quraish to return back and they didn’t agree and they kept inforth to isalm!
No body forced them to islam and told them to give up all their wealth and to bear such torturing for just changing their religon. They made it by their own will
When prophet Mohammad (PPBUH), tried to approach the rulers of the neighboring territories, inviting them to embrace Islam they did not only reject his invitation but also derided him and declared open wars against the Muslims. In his lifetime the Roman and Persian soldiers crossed the Muslim borders in various raids. So by the time of his death the Muslims were involuntarily at war with their neighbors
Prohet Mohamed (PPBUh) agreed to make a reconciling agreement with Qyraish that had very stricked conditions on muslims on the contrary of quraish. But prophet Mohamed agreed just to stop the wars for 10 years.
When people entered countries to call for isalm , they don’t take killing is the basis , they call them for religon They had a message to deliver to mankind. The Qur’ an
says invite to the Way of God by wisdom and beautiful preaching, and argue in the
most gracious manner.
and those who don’t accept the invitation , they only paid jizyah , like a tax pay , from wealth people who don’t follow , because on the other hand the muslims were defending them and they were not part of the force.
There was a story in the days Omar ebn elkhatab (one of the closest followers of prophet Mohamed (PPBUH) ) that he found a jewish or christian old person who was very poor and when he asked about his state , Omar ebn elkhatab ordered that he can take money from (bayt elmoslemeen ) and he said by what it means , how come we take from him jizyah while he is young and leave him poor when he is old
( something like that I cant remmeber the words exactly)
There is other story that shows the fairness of muslims founders , when Amr ebn elAs who was 7akem egypt, his son hit an egyptian christuian , because he won him in the race, and he claimed that to Omar ebn elkhatab, , omar asked the christian man and the son and Amr ebn elAs to come at his residence and he asked the christian man to hit the son back till he takes his right
aladin, just wanted to say, Jazaka Allaho Khayran for your comment.
Just a Christian, please note this is just a discussion and not a fight.. I am sure Aladin shares the same view.
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Haal I am sorry to say, but i really don't know what to tell you, not because I am not capable, but i just feel there is nothing to say to a muslim who doubts so much about Islam, i still do not believe the way you think, it is very absurd.
We should not be going through this together. Your arguments seem more like some one who is not convinced and i tried my best to explain, but maybe you really need help from someone who is really qualified to help you reach to what you really want, but u should decide, r u a believer? or r u in search of belief or what.
But u r always arguing about basics instead of trying to understand, and a blog and comments is not the way to do it.
HAAL PLEASE, IF U HAVE A CONFUSION, PLEASE KEEP IT OUT OF HERE. You needn't confuse others with your own confusions and searches and weird discussions. You said yourself that the closest person to you, your own mom, asked you why you confuse others the way you do.. So please, till u reach to some sort of conclusion, stop the confusions u make.
ALLAH IS ONE and seperate from creation, tell me u have a problem with that haal!
I am quite aware of the Christian theologies about that matter.
You talk like u r defending the theoligies, if so, it is your free will. But I am already convinced that ALLAH IS BUT ONE and has no partner. I do not need to search for opinions further on that matter. thank you.
Isalm is the deen.. It is all but one religion at the end.. ISLAM. All prophets were indeed moslem regardless of the references.
Haal, I did not denounce any religions. Maybe you just did not understand what i wrote..
Dalulla,
I am not doubting Islam as you keep pointing ya .....(cant find a way to describe your narrow mind, sorry!), but i am just doubting your naiive way of representing and arguing and speaking about islam. You dont make sense to me. Surprise!!!??Just take a quick look at how Alaadin and Anonymous reply and argue their points, and you will immediately recognize the huge gap between your way of talkng and preaching and their way of clarifying points that reflects thoughfulness and understanding.
I just honestly think that until you are able to represent what your believs in a mature way, you stay in ur own 'be here for you' blog because unfortunately you just make Islam looks really shallow and arrogant, when it is not.
I just hope this is not going to be one of those endless islam-christianity debats not discussions.
D: I expect you to discuss and certainly write more like a 30 year-old muslim, and not to pepper the discussion with immature comments. No one talks about 'fights' or any of that sort.
I certainly would have prefered that Just Christian avoided bringing up certain sensitive points in his comments that were outside the point (why i am not a muslim), this could have led the discussion to a more neutral, tension free dialogue, but the topic already is very sensitive, and represented by Dalia in a crippled way that doesn't really serve anyone. Slow down a little, my lady.
Until now, I think the original question of the post is not yet answered, and probably won't from what it seems so far.
الوم على السائل و طريقه سردة للاجابه
No.. By no means I meant it to be a fruitless religious debate; there are many of them online for those who are debate-thirsty or those who find attacking others a way to strengthen one's weak faith.
Let me just clarify: I was browsing manalaa to learn about the Egyptian protests, and found this article by coincidence and responded spontaneously to it. I have never read anything by Dalulla so I can't really know how you think based on one post, and...
I'm back to comment because I don't want to appear like a "hit and run"-but I have no intentions to make the debate get longer and lousier.
I concur with Haal.. Dalulla, your arguments are a bit superficial and your way of viewing your religion is really naive (you probably haven't read much Hadith, except the ones that are popular.) Spend some time reading Al-Bukhari. That's all what I suggest.
Now, I really want to reply to some of the comments of Aladdin, the only ones that make sense to me.
1) I didn't mention the argument of Islam and war to attack the religion, but rather to debate the substance of this post: Islam being the "complete" religion, the mokamel! To me and to every Christian, Christianity is strongly against war as a way to resist persecution. That's why I mentioned this as a serious question of wonder: why did "God" suddenly do a 180 degrees turn and resorted back to the Jewish-style violence?
As for the example you mentioned about Christian wars in spain (or crusades), I bet you are smarter than doing this (except for the sake of argument). People are always people and they will always resort to violence and distort their religion. I am talking about the original Islamic thought. I didn't use bin ladin or even Omar ibnel khattab as argument, I used the early "ghazwat" and the clear pro-war statements in Quran and Hadith.
As for the reference to Jesus saying I came to throw a sword not peace, it's really funny. I bet you yourself are just using it to test whether I'm dumb or dumberer!! Besides that both the context and interpretation of this verse have nothing to do with war. When did it happen in the first three centuries of Christianity that the early Christians resorted to the "sword" to defend their faith or to escape persecution? It remains a wonder how they survived the tough first centuries without violence! You should acknowledge that as a unique example through history for the first cosmopolitan religion (I'm not talking theology or faith here, just politics and history).
2) I didn't really use "Hadith" as a classic polemic argument. I just used it because Dalulla takes pride in Hadith, which I tihnk needs to be severely revised. I know many decent Muslims who fully or partly reject Hadith, and those really make sense.
Again, to cut short on the rest of argments, I never said I am a part of the "Christian herd" or "Church". I said I'm just a Christian with a self-built faith not a dictated one. So, I don't take the words of the Church or other Christians as "holy". Even what you call "Biblical scandalising errors" come from crazy freaks who treat the "Bible" as a book written by a blood-thirsty book. Those who are more sober, and look at "holy books" as an interaction between the human and the supernatural divine get more.
3) About the trinity and persons and names. It just shocks you to see the 99 names as such an argument. I tell you what: It shocks Christians also that Muslims attack them of having three Gods! It's equally silly. What's a "person" and what's a "name" but attempts by humankind to explore the unexplorable?? Even to say that God is "one" sometimes makes little sense. "One" what? One number? One being? One creature? One creator? Aren't all of these attempts to simplify the divine to the perishable brains of ours?
When you experience a spiritual moment where your soul melts in the divine you really stop asking about how can God be a neverending Unity.
Never mind. I just found your arguments original enough to discuss.
4) "6) Islam is the complete faith not because it is the ‘last’ one, nor because it enjoys an ‘unaltered’ holy book (even though pious Christians believe the Bible is equally unaltered!!) As you may know, Christianity had to adopt the Jewish Torah (in the Old Testament) as a ‘supplement’ (as a source of divine legislation)."
Aladdin, this is not my argument. It's Dalulla's. She made it like she thinks Islam is the best because it came at the end to "correct" and "clarify" the rest. It's really so naive to adopt such a reductionist argument in such a diverse world like ours. When muslims chose to transform the word "islam" (= submission or surrender or self-abandonment to God) to a lable "Islam" (as a name of a religion) they automatically decided that, every single time the word is used in their holy book, it means the religion not the world. That's what I agree with you on. All prophets are "moslemin" "mo'menin" "mowahedin" ok.. (adjectives), but to imply (as the millions of naive people do) that they were muslim in the sense of belonging to "Islam" (i.e., practicing the five pillars) is so so dangerous and true- you can't deny it.
Ok.. you want to be self-refering. So be it, but it's another fallacy! You want to claim other monotheistic attempts as predecessors, it's ok. But come'on. It's crystal clear there is a huge rift between them. It's like Sadat claiming himself as a continuum of Nasser, and current Nasserites objecting and saying: Sadat is a bastard, we are the true Nasserites. Obviously Sadaat was an offsprint of Nasser, but he obviously (as well stated by all Egyptians) used an eraser to follow Nasser's trail.
Finally, Dalulla, I didn't use any disrespectful words against "Mohammed (PBUH)". I just said that his life (to me and to any Christian) reflects a person who is a great leader and a religion founder, but who has not followed any of the teaching of Jesus Christ (whom I follow) but rather followed the pre-Christian system (as in the Old Testament) and that's simply why I can't accpet his message. Whether he killed people as self-defense or to do anything else, he still killed people. So did Moses. So did David. That's why there was a radical revolution needed. That revolution was Christianity. It became another religion with a political system? Yes. But, luckily this "Christian religion" is now fading (as said Aladdin) leaving space to the original Christianity to revive....
To the rest, you can find your arguments in all religious debates online, and you will find answers to them, and you will find answers to the answers, etc...
Hi well i can also give yo u answers ISA
well i am not scholored but i am sure that if i returned to who are really well scholored people i will know the answers
1- unfortuantely you did nt even answer my question , you claimed on prohet mohamed prayers and peace be upon him that his ahadeeth dont make sense and how we belive them and you advice D to read them in bukari , some muslims dont follow some ahadeeth and rejetcs them> so my question is that which AHADEETH again you are claiminmg as u say and you claim that you have an ANSWER for THAT are not suitable and unbeliveable and how we believe tham ? ok go on and tell me if there is !!! i suppose from your cliam there should be some basis answer
on the contrary some of his ahadeeth were proved scientefically as i told you before ,
2- i toldu before that there are some weak ones and yes the strong ones are those who narrated ny muslim or bokhary or both , u say some descent muslim dont follow?
ok some people dont even pray what does this have to do , some people dont comply with religoin on the first basis i mean like praying ,so what does this have to do with the ahadeeth
3- ok you say that prohet mohamed and the other prohets , they had wars , arent they all comming from God? how come you are descriminating and you are saying that is why there was a need for revolution ? are nt the rules comming from God? u again talked about ghazawat , i refered to omar ebn elkhatab because he was in the early ghazawat and again he was close follower, i mentioned how peaceful was our religon by stating some situations and we didnt impose the religon on people and again those who did nt accept only paid jizyah if they can afford and that was for their protection , i told you that when prohet Mohamed PPBUH had the chance to have reconciliation he did , although that one of the conditions that if one of those who are in quraish came to them to announce for islam , they should return him back to them and the contrary is nt true !
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Ok, you guys, I have few things to say - the bloodshed should be really kept out of the conversation. Christians did it, Muslims did it, everybody did it at a certain point. If you want to bring bloodshed into a debate bring it as the ultimate damage people can do to a religion, whichever religion that would be.
Then there is this issue with the Holly Trinity. The paradox of this Christian belief is that we don't see the Trinity as three distinct personalities as used in older religions (which actually believed in a family-like trinity - Mother, Father and Son), the Trinity consists in manifestations of the same God that cannot exist without eachother or separate from eachother. If you try to separate God into distinct persons, the whole monotheistic view on Christianity is lost..
Actually, if any of you watched the Million Dollar Baby movie, you would see what I mean in a more funny perspective (A young priest looses his temper, calling the trainor a heretic because he said he couldn't get the one god-three gods part).
I also agree with Haal, debating over which religion is best is useless and pointless, no Christian will say it's Islam, no Muslim will say it's Christianity...We should all concentrate all our power that we show when defending a religion to do more useful things!Like stopping the over-debated bloodshed...
...."every thing is done under the sun".. this debate,the earlier ones and the ones to come.
so, the term "al deen al mokamel", or why islam is concederd the completing relegion is because it comes with the fine detailes needed in different aspects of life, that moslems belive the three devine religions comes in an order to intreduce the full religion in the end, the first one "judaism' was to declair the "only" new god (that there was lots of gods earlier either local like those of the ancent egyptians or simi local like "b3l" or baal ,the strong god of babilon, phinecia...ans the surroundings),with a lot of incedents and stories showing the relation between god and his people through a lot of prophits ..showing the ten commandments as a key stone to what we can say the early commands of god , (the early summarian era in iraq showed a lot of similarties with judasim regarding their religion with a strong glorious god named "aanlil", and have a wall sclupture showing a man and a woman with a palm tree in between and a snake on that tree , sympolising the known creation story , that was 2000 years befor judasim i guess, - could it be an earlier reprsentation of the complete thing)
then came "sayedna iisa" - "juses" with a real beautifull sole , which will always be a sympole of humanity in its higher state ,to intreduce a different, yet on the way to complete the whole idea , to define spritual aspect of people's life ...,(i can say a lot here , but i'm trying to be brife)
every religion was sutible for its time regarding the state of mind and conciousness of people at that time , laps of time between religions was for many reasons , besides it took a longer time to spread the religion among people at that time
then came prophit mohammed (pbuh)who was not just a prophit, he was a leader,a man of state, who turned a punch of bedwians,deprived from urbnization,( way behind neighboring greeco\roman,and persian civilizations ) into a great nation,which ruled the worled. they never had power,money did'nt even tempted any one to invade them(there was neither oil nor" bringing democracy" back then).they did all that by just having islam..amazing ,isn't it.
..so islam (qouraan, haadith and sunna) concedred "the completing religion" in sense of it added the FINE DETAILS to lots of life matters such as daily life mannars detailed in every aspect , (buying,selling, saying hello to people you meet, table manners, ..how to deal with every incedence you face in your life , relations bet. men and women ,bet. married people,bet. frinds , regarding parents.....many many topics and aspects of daily life are covered , again DETAILED .)
details of the duties of the governers,economics,taxes,low,punishments,inheritage rules ..etc.
i can go on and on mentioning things you know that wes covered by islam,touches the real aspects of life and act as a guide through it.
this is what i belive the term "al deen al mokamel " or the completing religion means.
so..hall i hope i gave you the answer you was asking for.
dalulla i hope i've answered for you, cause you seemed going round in circles
one last word... its really funny this religion debate issue and it seems that it's going to be the hot topic every where the coming years, you always start the debate defending and showing that your religion is the best (its your's after all), you listen to the other , never conceder what he's saying, just taking points aginst what he's saying , even those who appears to be thoughfull dose the same.its turning into something like being "ahlawy or zamalkawy"...no offence ,just want to add some fun.
..but imagin for a moment that we all were born to parents having the other religion...imagin, so "dallula" will be a great defendere of christian heritage, with a PHd.in trinity , "just a christian" will answer the famous qustion (why is islam is the el deen el mokamel)pationatlly , "hall would probpably stay the same.... and so on, again no offence
finally i would like you all to reconceder what hall said earlier...... "last thought, if we got ourselves trapped in which religion is mukamel, which is better...etc, then we are just drifting from the path, wasting our times instead of concentrating on the real message, as you partly said, that gathered all religions and prophets, that is 'surrender'/submission oneself to The creator. Once you did that, or strive to do that,....or ...or.. then you are on the right path. It wont really matter which religion do you follow. However, meanwhile, you dont have to denounce ones religion to another, but instead to go from one 'level' to another 'deeper level' in the connection with the Creator. The ONE."
by the way im a muslim.
By the way, you are right, Rahmanium! :))Haal as well...I wonder...If we get a good topic to unite us all, like let's say a debate competition, do you guys think the others (considering of course that all of us commenting here and on Haal's blog would be in the same team) would stand a chance???I'd say their winning chances would be...well...a snowball in hell! :))
...and they lived in peace ever after. Great closure to a rough debate.
Dalulla, please dont ever think of quitting blogging. it is a wild wild world, but it is fun. Just relax, take slowly.
Post again very soon
JAB
I do have comments, but unfortunately no time.. I will comment, regardless if anyone is still interested or not. No offense meant at all, i just mean since i have disappeared for a while.
Just wanted to ask before i post my comments, Do any of u know why i posted this post?
To: Just a Christian. I would like to clarify something for you. This whole post was an answer to a question from a Moslem to Moslem, it was not meant to be a debate. I by no means would force an idea or belief on you or any other non Moslem as I mentioned before, but i do understand what u said about answering spontaneously.
You have all the right to. As a matter of fact your strong faith facinated me. I swear to you i am not being sarcastic or ironic at all. It is good to feel "sure" and content with what u have.
Haal's way of thinking is not the way most Moslems think, I am sorry to say, but she really does not and should not represent the Moslems' philosophy of life or religious understandings, nor am I either, if anyone really wants proper insight about what Islam that is.
A believer, always trying to find flaws and cracks in what they believe obviously has some sort of dissatisfaction and are by no means to represent it. It just doesn't make sense and is not fair either.
You tell me Just a Christian; if u stumble on another Christian that is always trying to find flaws about your belief and supposedly theirs too how would u react? Wouldn't u at least question them to why they are doing this? Wouldn't u feel that they are weakening the Cause and belief in Christianity? Please tell me. In all cases every one does have free will.
If i may ask, of you and kayla and any non Moslem that visits my blog and reads those comments, Please try something new, believe me it will not bite you, can u start reading about Islam again, but with this time I BEG of u to just do one thing, Take an intention in your heart that you want what is best for you in your eternal after life without having a preference to any of the three divine Religions. That you really want to know for sure what and where the truth is? I am not asking that you do it with the intention of abandoning ur own religion or embracing Islam. I am just asking that you see the real truth about Islam.
You might say why would i need to, and I know u do not know me, but I am daring to ask this favor of u. Of course you have all the right to decline my request. And in the case u do, no problems, but i don't think that what i am asking of u is something bad. Just a simple intention to have a clearer insight of things, and not from a bias point of view. Direct your intention to the creator of the universe regardless which religion u follow just while u r doing this search.
I just wanted to suggest two sights to start with, incase u accept to do me this favour, www.harunyahya.com and www.islam-guide.com.
I would like u to at least please read this article: or maybe read it on my blog because I will post it. http://www.harunyahya.com/32terrorism_people_soc09.php
I would just like to add, please try to be neutral, try not to have a preference in your heart for any specific religion even while reading the aforementioned article. It will not bite you and will do u no harm.
I pray u do accept this request from me.
Last but not least, I did not mean to hurt anyone or provoke anyone or denounce any religion. I cannot and would not do such a thing.
sites not sights..sorry
'Direct your intention to the creator of the universe ....'
If we were able to do this, and able to establish a connection with the creator of the universe, then at this moment no religion is needed, Dahlia.
As for the purpose of the post, I have to be honest and say that Haal's blog doesnt have anything anti-islam. You yourself didnt know which religion she followed. All she is doing, in my humble opinion, is questioning the historical development of things, not core values. I feel that you are the one who judged her and what she writes and comments and stamped it with 'unbeliver', 'weak faith'...etc, and thus approached every single comment from this perspective, a habbit that you even followed on your own blog. Your inability to seeing the big picture and read deeply what others write and think is a major flaw in your line of thoughts that even appear on this last article.
I am again sorry to say, that you answering Haal's question was very naiive. 1. you didn't say anything important or worth reading, 2. your reasoning was not well thought, 3. and this is the most important thing, you assume that whoever is reading this post is Dahlia, and Dahlia only. So it came shaky and doesnt answer the question as anonymous said before.
If I may suggest anything, it is to stop writing about islam, include links maybe, and comment on it, but dont write anything until you think carefully and understand that you are addressing other people other than Dahlia.
"""If we were able to do this, and able to establish a connection with the creator of the universe, then at this moment no religion is needed, Dahlia."""
Please clarify because this is not making any sense to me.
hmmmm.... If it makes you happy to think so, then so be it.
As for your suggestions, i tend to not take negative criticism, if it were put like Mohammed and Jlumbards' in a positive sense (even though they do not agree with me and vise versa) I definitely would, because they did not have a defensive tone of putting it.
You can be helpful by suggesting things in a nicer and more positive way, I think it'll have a much better impact.
Again, the purpose of the post was as a peronal answer to haal, Moslem to Moslem. Not an accusation of weak faith or disbelief to her...
guys, gals, please get my name out of the discussions. No one should defend me or talk on my behalf. Let Dalulla write whatever and understand what she wants. SHe said far worst thing than that before on my blog and I didnt delet it because it is fine with me.
Wnat to discuss her post, go ahead, but please get me out of this.
Dallula,
Haal is very confused person with lots of issues. I read her blog and I think she needs help in general.
Don't worry she is not confusing anyone she is only confusing herself.
She hates women in general read her blog dear and don't worry about her.
Keep Blogging it is your blog after all. If she doesn't like it she leaves!
Haal again Funny hahahaha! the other poster anonymous must be her boyfriend Mohamed who is following her like a wimp everywhere despite the fact that she claims to be engaged to Z.
I C lots of people against Haal. Must be a girls' thing after all.
Very rarely do we see fights on blogs because of girls' thing. The only one who is in trouble with girls' on blogs is clearly Haal.
It must be a Haals' thing.
Dallula, Islam is our faith and you have every right to defend it or post your opinion. Haal, can leave Islam if in doubt. Her incomplete ideas and very insecure posts says a lot.
Please move on from replying to her. She is a waste of time.
You are all taking this whole Haal/Dalulla thing way to serious. It is a free world, dont like a blog don't read it. We all come from different worlds, and different ideas, different everything. Just enjoy blogging and everyone does his own thing.
It is absolutely not called for this low standards of going to different blogs and say improper words abou other bloggers. It is not Islamic even to do that, you who talks about Islam!!
I pray we all be bestowed with Strong faith in our hearts to please ALLAH Subhanaho wata3ala. All we need to do is have good will and ask Allah for his help.
Shari,
Please do not call anyone nasty stuff. I do not think this is acceptable by any means. We can criticize in an attempt to help, in constructive manners and with as much ethics as possible, but no use of nasty words.
It doesn't help, think of how u would feel if someone called you that.
Besides it is non of our business who she is dating.. u r getting way too personal. Please do not do that.
Mohammed please disregard this. I apologize, but none of us have control over others. But since this was on my blog, I apologize to you.
Sharii
Why be so shallow? What’s with the girl's thing ??? The issue is way much more important..at least where I am concerned.
Anonymous.. post at 3:54
Allah yadneena gamee3an … But I do fear she might confuse someone who might have interest in Islam or maybe someone of weak faith, don't u agree?
That is why I was going through all that.. Many of her ideas and also her agreeing commentators by no means represent Islamic ones. So she is doing something that will do more harm than help to Islam. Having blogs and freedom on them should be wisely used. She is very good on other topics, very well informed masha'Allah, I give the girl credit. But where Islamic thought is concerned, I can say nothing but she is either confused, misinformed, or in disagreement with things, which she stated clearly about the Prophet's hadeeth. This should be sorted away from the public. She should settle which way she wants to go, but she is not settled on anything, therefore I belive she should not include religion in her topics till she knows that Islam has it's respect and that no one will or should accept this sort of thought.
I never imagined it will elevate to this extent.. But I could not just ignore what she said about Satan, Al Ferdaws Al A3la, about taking prophets as raw models, and her attacking me always despite my references to Quraan and Hadeeth.. and last but not least at all her statement about Prophet Mohammed being not perfect in worldly matters.. Then why did Allah refer to him saying "Inaka la 3ala khouloken atheem" I asked her to clarify before I commented but she still hasn't ..again answering to my question with another question…
I also disregarded the sarcastic and rudeness shown by her because these issues are not to be taken lightly.
MMI
No NO NO, do not say she can leave Islam.. She would never do that, and when we find people like that we must try to help them.. But the problem is she doesn't see what the problem is. She is not convinced there is something wrong in what she is doing.. This is the Big problem….
And yes MMI, I agree we all have the right to defend Islam. Allah and His Prophet ordered us to do so…And also. This really makes me sad.. Moslem and Moslem in this situation… I still cannot comprehend what lead her to think like this.. The girl Fasts 2 days a week, yet doubts hadeeth.. Subhan Allah, She prays.. That too was taught by Prophet Muhammed.. So how can she doubt his hadeeth?
She believes Allah is one and Prophet Muhammed is the last messenger and Quraan the holy book, but doubts hadeeth!! I just don't get it.
Why is her heart so hard? She even makes fun of me when I try to show I care.. that also startled me.. WALLHI I am not making it up, I do care, and especially that she is a sister in Islam.
Anonymous said...
You are all taking this whole Haal/Dalulla thing way to serious. It is a free world, dont like a blog don't read it. We all come from different worlds, and different ideas, different everything. Just enjoy blogging and everyone does his own thing.
It is absolutely not called for this low standards of going to different blogs and say improper words abou other bloggers. It is not Islamic even to do that, you who talks about Islam!!
6:18 PM
I agree one hundred percent about not calling others improper words.. It is not acceptable by any means.
Freedom should be used wisely. "you who talks about Islam??
Who talked about Islam and called anyone nasty stuff? Please point them out.
You do sound familiar.. Allaho a3lam.
I suggest every one leaves a name, it is the net after all, no one will chase you!! Be honest with yourselves and know ALLAH is the all hearing all seer and all knowing. Have confidence in yourselves..
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Guys/Gals,
I agree with MMI, Haal is a waste of time, and what follows in your comments. True. I salute your insight.
So why not leave this Haal personna aside, and start to focus instead on something more important. Directing your energy on writing decent posts and thoughts that will reflect deep, centered, grounded thoughts of yours about Islam, life, that will be more helpful. This will be more constructive, right? You shouldn't let people drift you away from the path and target you had set for yourself.
Enjoy!
Haal..Haal.. how could you say that you are a waste of time???
Do u really feel so? or are you tired that i am always there to comment about things that you seldom answer to? Instead, you become aggressive and call me stuff. Well I told you before these things do not bother me, no matter what you say (I do not take them personal) and I know I am not doing anything wrong. I am just really in love with my religion, With Allah (SWT) and with Prophet Muhammed. AND Believe me, you should start changing this attitude of yours or keep it away from public blogging.. Haal it makes me sad that "A MOSLEM" thinks the way u do about Islam, and not only that, you are always trying to show that there is something wrong..
WHY ?? What in Allah's name are you doing girl??
WEll... who is drifting? You certainly are not making me drift from my "deep, centered, grounded thoughts about Islam"..
I believe I didn't stumble on your site for no reason.. Things always happen for good reasons haal.
We should all Try to be constructive to Islam rather than destructive or weakening it's cause. How do you expect people to react to you? Haal please comment on this, wasn't it you (off your own free will) who said that your own mother said you confuse others with your thought?? Weren't you the one who said that during discussions about religion and the prophet you don't say much except a word here or there or no comment at all??
Is this a proper attitude? From what I am sure of, in these cases, you should defend what you can amicably, or you ask the people to cease the discussion, or (ad3af el Eman), cease attending such discussions if you cannot be constructive to Allah and His Prophet.
Haal, "al Muslim kal bonyan..in ishtaka 3edw tada3at sa2er al a3daa" (not the exact wordings, I think) this is the reason I keep coming back to your blog and comment.. Ok? We should all be like one body. Which is something you are not doing at all.
You are doing more damage than construction where religion is concerned.. Leaving out all the good stuff and clinging to very few fissures and cracks and emphasizing them and making them a gate way to attack Muslims and Islam.
ALLAH YADEENA "ALL" to what He pleases.
Shari, which cave did they drag you out of? I can't believe people are so sick! I think I know who the sick impersonators on this thread are. Get treatement, will ya.
Mohamed no need for this childish attitude.. someone did you wrong on my blog and i apologized to u on their behalf whether they agreed or not.. I think if u were mature enough, u would have ended it at there..
hmmmmm, i wonder what brought the idea if impersonators to your mind???
Hey Dalulla, I didn't ask for your stupid apology. I can handle obsessive sick people myself, thank you very much. And don't play smart, okay. There are enough wackos out there trying to do that.
People, enough fighting and bickering. No time for fighting.
Dalulla, thanks for raising the banner of defending the prophet. Now this Haal is saying weird stuff about the prophet explicitly this time. Mohamed, you should be hopping to defend your prophet, instead of defending Haal.
Anonymous, don't tell me what to do you wise guy. Where did I defend Haal?! You have a reading ability problem apparently.
And for your info, my prophet doesn't need defending. Don't you get it! Who's your prophet??
You guys are truly weird. Always turn it around and point at people.
You know better.
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Dalulla, the only reason I commented hear was because of stupid remarks made by sick people. If you found their comments to be decent and compliant with your da3wa efforts, and my comments indecent, then too bad for you.
I deleted my comment because there was something wrong written that didn't make sense, it was just before that of Mohamed's posted comment at 7:04 pm.. It should have read as follows:
Mohamed, if you or anyone cannot maintain decency in here, then you are not welcomed.. We all want to be decent..we may get aggressive and defensive and every thing..But no abusive language Please..
And Mohamed as an answer to your last comment, If i had found the comments in here decent i wouldn't have apologised or criticised the commentator for what he/she said..
whether about u or anyone else
And what was your reaction? You said you didn't need my "stupid apology".. I did what i was obliged to do whether you accept it or not.. And i will continue to do what i have to do regardless if appreciated or not.
sorry forgot a bit... and mohamed or anyone, if u r unable to maintain decency on this blog, then u r not welcomed!
Dalulla; May I ask you why are you allowing Haal and Mohamed to mess with your peaceful self? seriously, You tolerated Haal's rudeness beyond belief and you still remain peaceful and kind to Mohamed and apologize to him despite his disrespect to you. You need to put limit to this.
Read Haal's comments and Mohamed and you will see that there is no need for you to get into a debate with them because you can do so much with your time. They are on the internet 24/7 they live to post and agree with each other and disrespect others.
How many fights does this team went through? do they give up? Please focus your kind thinking to those who deserve it. You have tried and you failed with them let go and move on and you need to put some restrictions to your blog to avoid this vicious circles. Those two became experts in the virtual fights and nonsense.
Hope you keep your peace.
Anonymous,
Maybe they don't understand what i was trying to get through to them.. THe first comment i posted was meant to be encouraging then she started attacking me for some reason... it elevated ..
Rabena ye3lam, i did not want any of this to happen.. But it did, and the reason i was tolerating all this was the more important issue i was trying to say..
We moslems must care for one another, help one another, try to understand who is advising and who is negatively criticizing just for the fun of it..
Anonymous..being tolerent with others is something we should all try to do..
al hamd lillah for everything!! :-)
Dalulla;
I certainly understand your message. Unfortunately, I don't have your strength, and endurance that you showed to this team. You masha'allah have knowledge, and strong faith to stand in their face. I see them as anti-islam, something I wish I could have them stop.
So, what I am begging you is to stand up in this Haal face. Keep commenting and asking her to clarify until her mask cracks and then eventually stop blogging and return back to her Z. stuff. This is the only way. I know it will sound trivial, but this is what we can do. I will sure help. Let us start.
Jazakoum Allah kolla Khayr
Lets all start by caring deeply for one another.. Lets all start by wanting for others what we want for ourselves so much.. Lets all help one another to be strong with Iman, with Loving ALLAH AND HIS PROPHETS, with truely loving one another..
Haal said she is Muslim.. I can do nothing but believe her.. to me only Allah knows it is not a personal fight.. it is just my way of Loving ALLAH.. We all do I am sure..
Haal or anyone else, nothing personal, It is way more important than that..
I don't mean to be rude, Endurance?? What endurance? If anyone wants to know endurance, check out that of the prophets..check out the Sa7aba..Check out the Shuhadaa and the people that fought and still fight for Islam.. I am nothing.. Haal hasn't done me wrong.. she should know better.. I really meant it when i told her she cannot provoke me, especially if it is an issue regarding ALLAH and his prophet and Islam in general.
We should all work on our patience.. only then we will become worthy of being Ummat Muhammed..Caliphs of ALLAH on EARTH..
Jazana wa iyakom insha'Allah.. Thank you, but be patient please...
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