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posted by Dalulla at 2:47 AM
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Happy because.... Excuse me dalulla, how do you define 'right'? Plsu, how can someone does everthing right in his life? Hi haal. The definition of "right" is what we are obliged to do according to religious teachings, and moral or ethical conducts of behaviour.
We all know what the right thing to do is, applying it is not an easy task at all. BUT! if we are so anxious to be good people, we must exert our utmost effort to stick to our religiouse teachings and ethics.
For me as a moslem, I am quite aware of what is "right" and what is wrong. Islam teaches us so many positive attitudes, for our selves and towards others. The idea is to understand and to make an effort. If you get to know the real meaning of "Al Din mo3amala" then you might understand what i mean, i hope you do, because it is so beautiful and comforting.
Islam teaches us to know what real streangth is all about, forgivness, love, not holding grudges, sorting differences, persistence, patience, treating others ethically and morally, so many things i cannot finish here. Almost all of my posts are inspired from teachings of Islam. Ofcourse "to do everything right" is not factual, it is just inspirtaional.
Let me give you a small example: during school, my mother once told me something that has stuck with me till now, she said, if you aim for just a "B" grade, you will get a "C", but if you aim for the best, you will never get low grades, and if you do, it is alright, because you gave it your best shot! She also once told me, when you choose friends, never choose ones whom are less than you in ethics and religion, you need to choose those who are better or at least on the same level as yourself, and I learned that when i am ready enough, ethically and morally i can mingle with just about anyone, because they will not affect me in a negative sense, i on the other hand would try to take their hand and affect them in a positive way.
Hall "right" is "right" .. La yase7 ila al sa7ee7!
I hope i clarified my point. But do you agree that the morals and good inspiring teachings you are talking about are the key teachings of almost any religion. I am just thinking out loud here. SOme would argue that nailing down islam (religion in general) to mo3amalat diminishes the whole purpose of religion and just replace it with 'universal good ethics'? i mean, you dont have to be a muslim (or a christian or anything) to be ethical. Do you see my point? (i hope i am not offending you so far. i know ur stand on that issues and i mean no attack on any religion, ok)
I actually agree to ur mother's advice. I have one take only, dont u think that associating with 'better or at least same level' is a little judgemental? How would u know if u are better or they are less..... what is the criteria? i am just wondering! I am very glad we are having this discussion, you are not offending me at all haal, on the contrary I am very happy with your presence on my blog.
Nailing down islam would simply be refuted because the mo3amalat have a purpose, and that is the obedience of God's commands to win his blessings, and thereby, heaven insha'Allah.
In Islam you do things for a purpose, like planting a seed for instance and caring for it till it grows and you collect it's fruits and so on, unlike just throwing a seed and not caring for it as it grows - that is if it even survives- the idea of the mo3amalat is the same thing. You do them to be a good person in the eyes of The Creator and not the creation.
Therefore, If an argument would be raised regarding nailing religion and replacing it with univesal good ethics would not be much of a motivation for many people, since humans by nature are always in need of knowing down deep inside there will be some sort of reward.
In Islam, we do good and should not expect much of the people who were done good for, oyu do it men bab edkhal al sorour 3ala koloub el nas, and to make our true love(GOD) happy with us, at least that is the correct way of doing it as a moslem. Yes, appreciation would be great, but if none, no problem, since we know that He who is greater than any creation would reward us for our good doings (there is much more than i wrote above regarding the matter).
When any issue is brought up with regards to Islam there are usually logical answers to those who are reasonable, since following and believing in the one and only God is reasonable if people get to really understand and open their hearts (li qawmin ya3kilon as mentioned in the Holy Quraan). the phrase ya3kil has been brought up so many times in the quraan, which means reason, think or contmplate.. SO i do pray all mankind open up and really get to know the reality behind the beauty of Islam and what it offers to mankind.
Now, regarding association with those who are better or same level, go back and read again what i wrote. When i say this, i am obviosly talking about people of sound minds! Ones who can really differentiate and be fair rather than judgemental. When i started getting deeper into religion, i aquired this sense, and i am sure many other people have as well. The love of God enlightens us more and more as we dwell in.
I never feel i am "Better" than any one, i meant being ahead in steps, or levels, and what i said was to choose those who are better in the sense of more into knowledge and practice, for instance, sometimes i am unaware of something regarding sharee3a, who would i go to? A normal friend or a Sheikh i trust? Definitely the Sheikh or a friend who happens to have more knowledge and applies that knowledge as best as they can.. since he/she have acquired more knowledge than that I posses.
And I didn't say I was against mingling with anyone, I said that when one feels they are on solid grounds with certain conducts, they can easily mingle with just anyone, since they will not be affected in a manner that will lessen their own acquired solid grounds of religion and ethics. And if that is assured one can either affect people in a positive way or just leave them the way they are. When I say this I say it because of the main issue, being righteous. How can someone be righteous? To me the answer is what I have explained to you here. And also so if any issues would be brought up regarding religion or ethics, a person would be knowledgeable to answer, provided they themselves apply what they say, other wise stay silent, because I find it very frustrating when people sit there and give advise and not apply it themselves, this is why we always say the dua'a of Allahom ej3alna men man yastame3oun al qawl faya3maloun a7sanaho.. I also add yaqolona al qawl faya3maloun a7sanaho...
Second thing about the less part, again, a matter of steps or levels of knowledge and applications of that knowledge. But I am not encouraging segregation in a negative sense. Ya3ny if there is a group of people doing drugs, and u r not, why mingle with them directly and immensely. Better off not to, BUT! If you are on solid grounds of the principle of not doing drugs, mingle only to help them rid themselves of it if u r sure u can get through to them or want to really save them from the disaster they have put themselves into.
Or maybe a bunch of atheists… How will you be able to be of positive impact unless you have enough knowledge? As a Moslem we should be concerned about the well being of people, and again not by force, by al kalmia al tayeba and enough knowledge, and when we are lacking ansewers, not because there aren't any but maybe because we still don't know enough then better off away from such people. Do you understand me?
All I am aiming for is a better person… For me, u, and every one else.. May we all end up in Al ferdaws Al a3la...ameen
Feel free to say anything any time, I am always happy to have you here, and I hope I explained myself well enough for you. 'May we all end up in Al ferdaws Al a3la...ameen'
What is that ferdaws al-a3la. Should I wait for that ferdaws up there...what about life down here.
Can you write short answers. I can't concentrate in long long comments. lose track of the argument. Age ba'ah! Haal, may i ask something, What religion do u follow? Just curious
Al Ferdaws al a3la is the highest level in paradise. Life down here is a pathway, either to heaven or hell. I think if you believe in one of any of the three religions sent by God, you would know that already.
Life down here is simply a workshop for a very short period of time versus Eternity in the after life. Which do you want is the question. We have been given freedom of choice.
I could not relate to this matter briefly. sorry. Ok..better to relate it as u wish. But make it to the point sorta speak.
So, does it matter if i am Muslim, christian or Jews or anything. They are all names, right? sorta! Please agree once :) I am smiling.. wallahi i am..
No dear they are not mosamayat, or at least should not be. It is all a matter of belief, and in each is a part, but with Islam it is whole.. since Islam sums them all up togethter, so therefore, mokamel to all.
I am so sorry i didn't agree..
Bas el ekhtelaf la yofsed lel wed kadeya, unless you start cursing religion and God, and i do not think you are the type.
By the way haal, believe it or not, i like you alot, even though we are so different and i obviously haven't met u in person, but there is something about you that is like a magnet.
Your mentality interests me. Tayeb allah yekhaleek ya sitti. Toushkary ya set oum Umar.
Tayeb, back to business, define what you mean by religion and/or islam for me. Take all the space you want and I will concentrate hard. ok? If I am convinced, my word, I will admit it.
'By the way haal, believe it or not'
La'a I believe it. why won't I. what do u mean by "define what you mean by religion and/or islam for me"
Do you want me to explain my definition of Religion in general as a whole, in terms of all religions??
Or do u want me to define Islam from my point of view? Or the genereal view? or what?
Sorry, i was a bit thick on that one. If you have msn messenger, maybe it would be easier to chat, if u want.. u keep saying religion, islam is the mukamel...etc. so i want to know what do you mean by Religion. No aladin i am not a member of the Muslim brotherhood, but why r u asking such a question?
I am wondering... Ya3nee you wonder why Alaa asked if you belong to the MB and didn't wonder about al-ferdaws al-a'la? can i use ur definition of religion on my blog? What do u mean by why didn't i wonder about al ferdaws al a3la? In what sense?
Why would u want to use my definition of religion on your blog? I was looking for someone to define islam for me, but no one did. I think your definition is interesting. So I was thinking of posting it.
U can just say no. No. Because you are being sarcastic. and for anyone who wants to understand, visit haal on www.thewillto.blogspot.com and open comments of the post "can it be." or, "A mesage from within" from the main egybloggers page or maybe u realize that ur definition is very limiting... My definition is just not complete enough for the sake of the greatness of religions and especialloy Isalm. but i only worte that in the assumption Haal already knows, it is just (in my opinion, part of her defense and argument mechanism).
Haal is quite and intelligent person, bas in my view as well, she just needs to put aside arguments that will get her no where. What is this 'defense system' that you said is part of me?
and you, in my view as well, she needs to bring forward a more developed way of explaining yourself and what you think without reaching for big words and assuming that you know it all, that will get you no where anywhere everytime Developed in what sense haal? and which words do u consider Big?
You tell me, why did you not comment to any of the religious facts like the Quraan and hadeeth i used in my discussion? Or are these not worth considering? All waht i said was based on the Quraan and sunna.. I usually get somewher with people, not all of course, but most, because I simply use common sense and facts that no one can argue to, If and when they are true believers in the Quraan.
But it seems that you are one of the people i am not getting through to. I would really like to, but you have built what i referred to as a defense mechanism, a blind one too..
What? too conceited to comply with the Quraan and Sunna?
It is so strange because you say you believe in them, yet you contradict them in some aspects throughout the discussions.
La2 we kaman eih..u r agreeing with someone about other religions that have not even been sent by God! Hinduism eih bas we buddhism eih???
I did not assume anything, and all what i mentioned was backed up.. Ya benty even when i asked you about where you got the idea of the non existence of Satan, u had no answer.. Not a proof..Nothing..
All you did was mock me, try to provoke me with words, u showed disrespect, which is fine with me.. I can cope to more than u can imagine..words won't bite.. I am confident.. Maybe kaman over confident 3ala ra2y someone who always argues the same way you do somehow..
When a person complies to the Quraan with understanding they get this confidence.. and yes i would say i know it all if the subject is directly realted to something i can back up with Quraan and Sunna, since i have no doubts they are truthful and undoubtful sources.
Haal by the way, i don't want you to think that i have always been this religious (or whatever u want to call it).. I was not.. the only thing that was almost very regular were my daily five prayers, and i went through lots of doubt myself at a certain period of time.. But once you keep asking God to shed light into your heart over and over again because u feel something is missing, and He feels you really want Hedaya and guidance to the truth, He answers your duaa.
So i am not like this men faragh. ok?! I honestly dont think you are religious or not religious. I also dont think you are confident or over or anything. Since you keep mentioning your traits, then you know that noone sees them and you are forcing us to see it. Re-read your comments on my blog and you will see that no one really gets what you are talking about.
As for disrespect, well, again it is you who started it and just was playing cool and still when I 'showwed disrespect--not sure where' i was nothing compared to your way of speaking. Please, try to take a deeper look to how you act and will know what i mean.
WHy do you keep repeating how conviencing you are, how...moush 3aref eih, Why? You just cant give a straight answer; unable to give reasons; attack on strange bases like 'ya lahwee how can you ....'; and you have a very limiting thinking and my guess is that you are scared--and maybe too have little faith or blind faith. No offense.
Ya bentee (this is how u speak), the companion of the prophets used to ask him about every single details.... and these were the companions and he was never angry or told them to 'garah eih ya umar.... ' plus, religion is not only faith, or blind faith. There are reasons too. If you open the coran there are all the time speaking about 'tafakur, tazakur...' etc. Plus, there are lots of different ideologies and thoughts that emerged throughout the history that you have to be aware of. I just simply seeing you as just repeating what people tell you and that's it. You dont think about things and this is the difference between me and you.
As for not answering about satan, Mae and I did explain the ideology behind satan in a particular group, which you should be aware of the different currents if you want to go into dialogue with people. or at least listen to what they say and stop talking for a moment.
There is a consenses that you are just bla bla-ing all the time and have no point. Well, when i came to think about it now, yeah, maybe you are over confindent really. But not because you know, but because you dont know. Even your blog is like 'for you', excuse me, i think this is a defense mechanism to show you are all powerful, strong, knowing it all, when in reality you are just 'fake', 'very fake' according to Mae. Please, wake up, face the world and stop. Either have a direct answer to question you claim so obvious or go hide.
Again, we are expecting to give us a simple answer to what you believe around Islam one step ahead....so far you did provide us with the answer that you dont know what you are talking about. It doesnt have to be a sophisticated answer, but since you believe islam is one step ahead, go on and tell us more about that. SImply stating that the Coran said that doesnt really help most people. I am obviously getting no where with you, and not because i am not saying anything, but because you don't want to see what i am trying to say..
The fact that you and none of ur commentators undererstand what i am talking about (which is very simply put, because i can not do it in a more simple and straight forward way.
You feel or decided that i am bla bla-ing (I consider this as rude haal, please tell me when was i rude for me to apologize) which is again, fine with me.
Who said i got angry at you? Why should I? And yes the prophet encouraged dialogue, but that is a nother different story on different circumstances and certain attitudes and things said were met with anger by the prophet. But who am I to be compared to sayed al khalk wal khuluk. WE are having discussions aren't we? So where is the anger here?
And when have i repeatedly said i was convincing, i only answered to one of your accusations, besides.. i only said that what i said should be convincing, since it was not off my own accord, but that of the Quraan and sunna, and those you refer to as "what people tell me" they are not just people i meet every day, they are Ulama'a, so i still don't see where you are coming from.. And yes Tafakur and tazakur is great, required too but in a positive and constructive manner.. only we need to have some thing to natafakar fiha or natazakarha, which again in my references were the Quraan, ahadeeth and teachings and the creations and so forth all again related to a source ..mainly the Quraan cause it sums every aspect of life up.
you are acting as if we were having a real live dialogue and i kept cutting you off?? How can u acuse me of that when each of us had a fair turn saying what we all thought? My disucssions on Satan were all revolvoing around one two statements you mentioned and that was about it.. and you still did not comment about those statements when i commented back! You acutally said? Did i say that? (that satan does not exist) u contracdicted what you said earlier.
Ok well and good, but what is it that I don't know exactly?
El power lellah, many bloggers have similar blogs to mine.. prsonal blogs stating their state of mind and how they feel..nothing wrong with that.. Wanting to be there for people is not wrong..or is it (excuse my selfishness..your quote)
I needn't hide, hiding is forcowards, and I do not think i am or i would have not had all these discussions going back and forth.
I already gave an answer to what i believe around Islam being one step ahead, very simply and briefly. How is it that i do not know what i am talking about.. Why didn't u put the possibility that you just don't want to get what i was telling u and ur friends through, which again was very simply and briefly stated.
I will try to write again about what i believe regarding Islam being one step ahead, but not right now since i must run..
Have a beautiful day Haal. Still waiting for what you believe regarding Islam being one step ahead. Wish you would give it more time like you give to defending yourself. although i already commented about that.. Ya Haal Prophet Muhammed and the Sa7aba did not work so hard for people to come today and question things about religion in the manner you do.. not question in terms of understandings, but the sort of understandings that lead towards refutations, that is what is unacceptable What are you talking about. I seriously think you lack a lot of reading. Go read and stop shouting slogans that you hear. rahmanium, what is that supposed to mean? Can u please clarify what u want to say to me? Maybe some one else would understand, but unfortunately i didn't. well Rahmanium i am waiting for a comment .. for others too, to understand because i think maybe some one else might have not understood
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Excuse me dalulla, how do you define 'right'? Plsu, how can someone does everthing right in his life?
Hi haal. The definition of "right" is what we are obliged to do according to religious teachings, and moral or ethical conducts of behaviour.
We all know what the right thing to do is, applying it is not an easy task at all. BUT! if we are so anxious to be good people, we must exert our utmost effort to stick to our religiouse teachings and ethics.
For me as a moslem, I am quite aware of what is "right" and what is wrong. Islam teaches us so many positive attitudes, for our selves and towards others. The idea is to understand and to make an effort. If you get to know the real meaning of "Al Din mo3amala" then you might understand what i mean, i hope you do, because it is so beautiful and comforting.
Islam teaches us to know what real streangth is all about, forgivness, love, not holding grudges, sorting differences, persistence, patience, treating others ethically and morally, so many things i cannot finish here. Almost all of my posts are inspired from teachings of Islam. Ofcourse "to do everything right" is not factual, it is just inspirtaional.
Let me give you a small example: during school, my mother once told me something that has stuck with me till now, she said, if you aim for just a "B" grade, you will get a "C", but if you aim for the best, you will never get low grades, and if you do, it is alright, because you gave it your best shot! She also once told me, when you choose friends, never choose ones whom are less than you in ethics and religion, you need to choose those who are better or at least on the same level as yourself, and I learned that when i am ready enough, ethically and morally i can mingle with just about anyone, because they will not affect me in a negative sense, i on the other hand would try to take their hand and affect them in a positive way.
Hall "right" is "right" .. La yase7 ila al sa7ee7!
I hope i clarified my point.
But do you agree that the morals and good inspiring teachings you are talking about are the key teachings of almost any religion. I am just thinking out loud here. SOme would argue that nailing down islam (religion in general) to mo3amalat diminishes the whole purpose of religion and just replace it with 'universal good ethics'? i mean, you dont have to be a muslim (or a christian or anything) to be ethical. Do you see my point? (i hope i am not offending you so far. i know ur stand on that issues and i mean no attack on any religion, ok)
I actually agree to ur mother's advice. I have one take only, dont u think that associating with 'better or at least same level' is a little judgemental? How would u know if u are better or they are less..... what is the criteria? i am just wondering!
I am very glad we are having this discussion, you are not offending me at all haal, on the contrary I am very happy with your presence on my blog.
Nailing down islam would simply be refuted because the mo3amalat have a purpose, and that is the obedience of God's commands to win his blessings, and thereby, heaven insha'Allah.
In Islam you do things for a purpose, like planting a seed for instance and caring for it till it grows and you collect it's fruits and so on, unlike just throwing a seed and not caring for it as it grows - that is if it even survives- the idea of the mo3amalat is the same thing. You do them to be a good person in the eyes of The Creator and not the creation.
Therefore, If an argument would be raised regarding nailing religion and replacing it with univesal good ethics would not be much of a motivation for many people, since humans by nature are always in need of knowing down deep inside there will be some sort of reward.
In Islam, we do good and should not expect much of the people who were done good for, oyu do it men bab edkhal al sorour 3ala koloub el nas, and to make our true love(GOD) happy with us, at least that is the correct way of doing it as a moslem. Yes, appreciation would be great, but if none, no problem, since we know that He who is greater than any creation would reward us for our good doings (there is much more than i wrote above regarding the matter).
When any issue is brought up with regards to Islam there are usually logical answers to those who are reasonable, since following and believing in the one and only God is reasonable if people get to really understand and open their hearts (li qawmin ya3kilon as mentioned in the Holy Quraan). the phrase ya3kil has been brought up so many times in the quraan, which means reason, think or contmplate.. SO i do pray all mankind open up and really get to know the reality behind the beauty of Islam and what it offers to mankind.
Now, regarding association with those who are better or same level, go back and read again what i wrote. When i say this, i am obviosly talking about people of sound minds! Ones who can really differentiate and be fair rather than judgemental. When i started getting deeper into religion, i aquired this sense, and i am sure many other people have as well. The love of God enlightens us more and more as we dwell in.
I never feel i am "Better" than any one, i meant being ahead in steps, or levels, and what i said was to choose those who are better in the sense of more into knowledge and practice, for instance, sometimes i am unaware of something regarding sharee3a, who would i go to? A normal friend or a Sheikh i trust? Definitely the Sheikh or a friend who happens to have more knowledge and applies that knowledge as best as they can.. since he/she have acquired more knowledge than that I posses.
And I didn't say I was against mingling with anyone, I said that when one feels they are on solid grounds with certain conducts, they can easily mingle with just anyone, since they will not be affected in a manner that will lessen their own acquired solid grounds of religion and ethics. And if that is assured one can either affect people in a positive way or just leave them the way they are. When I say this I say it because of the main issue, being righteous. How can someone be righteous? To me the answer is what I have explained to you here. And also so if any issues would be brought up regarding religion or ethics, a person would be knowledgeable to answer, provided they themselves apply what they say, other wise stay silent, because I find it very frustrating when people sit there and give advise and not apply it themselves, this is why we always say the dua'a of Allahom ej3alna men man yastame3oun al qawl faya3maloun a7sanaho.. I also add yaqolona al qawl faya3maloun a7sanaho...
Second thing about the less part, again, a matter of steps or levels of knowledge and applications of that knowledge. But I am not encouraging segregation in a negative sense. Ya3ny if there is a group of people doing drugs, and u r not, why mingle with them directly and immensely. Better off not to, BUT! If you are on solid grounds of the principle of not doing drugs, mingle only to help them rid themselves of it if u r sure u can get through to them or want to really save them from the disaster they have put themselves into.
Or maybe a bunch of atheists… How will you be able to be of positive impact unless you have enough knowledge? As a Moslem we should be concerned about the well being of people, and again not by force, by al kalmia al tayeba and enough knowledge, and when we are lacking ansewers, not because there aren't any but maybe because we still don't know enough then better off away from such people. Do you understand me?
All I am aiming for is a better person… For me, u, and every one else.. May we all end up in Al ferdaws Al a3la...ameen
Feel free to say anything any time, I am always happy to have you here, and I hope I explained myself well enough for you.
'May we all end up in Al ferdaws Al a3la...ameen'
What is that ferdaws al-a3la. Should I wait for that ferdaws up there...what about life down here.
Can you write short answers. I can't concentrate in long long comments. lose track of the argument. Age ba'ah!
Haal, may i ask something, What religion do u follow? Just curious
Al Ferdaws al a3la is the highest level in paradise. Life down here is a pathway, either to heaven or hell. I think if you believe in one of any of the three religions sent by God, you would know that already.
Life down here is simply a workshop for a very short period of time versus Eternity in the after life. Which do you want is the question. We have been given freedom of choice.
I could not relate to this matter briefly. sorry.
Ok..better to relate it as u wish. But make it to the point sorta speak.
So, does it matter if i am Muslim, christian or Jews or anything. They are all names, right? sorta! Please agree once :)
I am smiling.. wallahi i am..
No dear they are not mosamayat, or at least should not be. It is all a matter of belief, and in each is a part, but with Islam it is whole.. since Islam sums them all up togethter, so therefore, mokamel to all.
I am so sorry i didn't agree..
Bas el ekhtelaf la yofsed lel wed kadeya, unless you start cursing religion and God, and i do not think you are the type.
By the way haal, believe it or not, i like you alot, even though we are so different and i obviously haven't met u in person, but there is something about you that is like a magnet.
Your mentality interests me.
Tayeb allah yekhaleek ya sitti. Toushkary ya set oum Umar.
Tayeb, back to business, define what you mean by religion and/or islam for me. Take all the space you want and I will concentrate hard. ok? If I am convinced, my word, I will admit it.
'By the way haal, believe it or not'
La'a I believe it. why won't I.
what do u mean by "define what you mean by religion and/or islam for me"
Do you want me to explain my definition of Religion in general as a whole, in terms of all religions??
Or do u want me to define Islam from my point of view? Or the genereal view? or what?
Sorry, i was a bit thick on that one. If you have msn messenger, maybe it would be easier to chat, if u want..
u keep saying religion, islam is the mukamel...etc. so i want to know what do you mean by Religion.
No aladin i am not a member of the Muslim brotherhood, but why r u asking such a question?
I am wondering...
Ya3nee you wonder why Alaa asked if you belong to the MB and didn't wonder about al-ferdaws al-a'la?
can i use ur definition of religion on my blog?
What do u mean by why didn't i wonder about al ferdaws al a3la? In what sense?
Why would u want to use my definition of religion on your blog?
I was looking for someone to define islam for me, but no one did. I think your definition is interesting. So I was thinking of posting it.
U can just say no.
No. Because you are being sarcastic. and for anyone who wants to understand, visit haal on www.thewillto.blogspot.com and open comments of the post "can it be."
or, "A mesage from within" from the main egybloggers page
or maybe u realize that ur definition is very limiting...
My definition is just not complete enough for the sake of the greatness of religions and especialloy Isalm. but i only worte that in the assumption Haal already knows, it is just (in my opinion, part of her defense and argument mechanism).
Haal is quite and intelligent person, bas in my view as well, she just needs to put aside arguments that will get her no where.
What is this 'defense system' that you said is part of me?
and you, in my view as well, she needs to bring forward a more developed way of explaining yourself and what you think without reaching for big words and assuming that you know it all, that will get you no where anywhere everytime
Developed in what sense haal? and which words do u consider Big?
You tell me, why did you not comment to any of the religious facts like the Quraan and hadeeth i used in my discussion? Or are these not worth considering? All waht i said was based on the Quraan and sunna.. I usually get somewher with people, not all of course, but most, because I simply use common sense and facts that no one can argue to, If and when they are true believers in the Quraan.
But it seems that you are one of the people i am not getting through to. I would really like to, but you have built what i referred to as a defense mechanism, a blind one too..
What? too conceited to comply with the Quraan and Sunna?
It is so strange because you say you believe in them, yet you contradict them in some aspects throughout the discussions.
La2 we kaman eih..u r agreeing with someone about other religions that have not even been sent by God! Hinduism eih bas we buddhism eih???
I did not assume anything, and all what i mentioned was backed up.. Ya benty even when i asked you about where you got the idea of the non existence of Satan, u had no answer.. Not a proof..Nothing..
All you did was mock me, try to provoke me with words, u showed disrespect, which is fine with me.. I can cope to more than u can imagine..words won't bite.. I am confident.. Maybe kaman over confident 3ala ra2y someone who always argues the same way you do somehow..
When a person complies to the Quraan with understanding they get this confidence.. and yes i would say i know it all if the subject is directly realted to something i can back up with Quraan and Sunna, since i have no doubts they are truthful and undoubtful sources.
Haal by the way, i don't want you to think that i have always been this religious (or whatever u want to call it).. I was not.. the only thing that was almost very regular were my daily five prayers, and i went through lots of doubt myself at a certain period of time.. But once you keep asking God to shed light into your heart over and over again because u feel something is missing, and He feels you really want Hedaya and guidance to the truth, He answers your duaa.
So i am not like this men faragh. ok?!
I honestly dont think you are religious or not religious. I also dont think you are confident or over or anything. Since you keep mentioning your traits, then you know that noone sees them and you are forcing us to see it. Re-read your comments on my blog and you will see that no one really gets what you are talking about.
As for disrespect, well, again it is you who started it and just was playing cool and still when I 'showwed disrespect--not sure where' i was nothing compared to your way of speaking. Please, try to take a deeper look to how you act and will know what i mean.
WHy do you keep repeating how conviencing you are, how...moush 3aref eih, Why? You just cant give a straight answer; unable to give reasons; attack on strange bases like 'ya lahwee how can you ....'; and you have a very limiting thinking and my guess is that you are scared--and maybe too have little faith or blind faith. No offense.
Ya bentee (this is how u speak), the companion of the prophets used to ask him about every single details.... and these were the companions and he was never angry or told them to 'garah eih ya umar.... ' plus, religion is not only faith, or blind faith. There are reasons too. If you open the coran there are all the time speaking about 'tafakur, tazakur...' etc. Plus, there are lots of different ideologies and thoughts that emerged throughout the history that you have to be aware of. I just simply seeing you as just repeating what people tell you and that's it. You dont think about things and this is the difference between me and you.
As for not answering about satan, Mae and I did explain the ideology behind satan in a particular group, which you should be aware of the different currents if you want to go into dialogue with people. or at least listen to what they say and stop talking for a moment.
There is a consenses that you are just bla bla-ing all the time and have no point. Well, when i came to think about it now, yeah, maybe you are over confindent really. But not because you know, but because you dont know. Even your blog is like 'for you', excuse me, i think this is a defense mechanism to show you are all powerful, strong, knowing it all, when in reality you are just 'fake', 'very fake' according to Mae. Please, wake up, face the world and stop. Either have a direct answer to question you claim so obvious or go hide.
Again, we are expecting to give us a simple answer to what you believe around Islam one step ahead....so far you did provide us with the answer that you dont know what you are talking about. It doesnt have to be a sophisticated answer, but since you believe islam is one step ahead, go on and tell us more about that. SImply stating that the Coran said that doesnt really help most people.
I am obviously getting no where with you, and not because i am not saying anything, but because you don't want to see what i am trying to say..
The fact that you and none of ur commentators undererstand what i am talking about (which is very simply put, because i can not do it in a more simple and straight forward way.
You feel or decided that i am bla bla-ing (I consider this as rude haal, please tell me when was i rude for me to apologize) which is again, fine with me.
Who said i got angry at you? Why should I? And yes the prophet encouraged dialogue, but that is a nother different story on different circumstances and certain attitudes and things said were met with anger by the prophet. But who am I to be compared to sayed al khalk wal khuluk. WE are having discussions aren't we? So where is the anger here?
And when have i repeatedly said i was convincing, i only answered to one of your accusations, besides.. i only said that what i said should be convincing, since it was not off my own accord, but that of the Quraan and sunna, and those you refer to as "what people tell me" they are not just people i meet every day, they are Ulama'a, so i still don't see where you are coming from.. And yes Tafakur and tazakur is great, required too but in a positive and constructive manner.. only we need to have some thing to natafakar fiha or natazakarha, which again in my references were the Quraan, ahadeeth and teachings and the creations and so forth all again related to a source ..mainly the Quraan cause it sums every aspect of life up.
you are acting as if we were having a real live dialogue and i kept cutting you off?? How can u acuse me of that when each of us had a fair turn saying what we all thought? My disucssions on Satan were all revolvoing around one two statements you mentioned and that was about it.. and you still did not comment about those statements when i commented back! You acutally said? Did i say that? (that satan does not exist) u contracdicted what you said earlier.
Ok well and good, but what is it that I don't know exactly?
El power lellah, many bloggers have similar blogs to mine.. prsonal blogs stating their state of mind and how they feel..nothing wrong with that.. Wanting to be there for people is not wrong..or is it (excuse my selfishness..your quote)
I needn't hide, hiding is forcowards, and I do not think i am or i would have not had all these discussions going back and forth.
I already gave an answer to what i believe around Islam being one step ahead, very simply and briefly. How is it that i do not know what i am talking about.. Why didn't u put the possibility that you just don't want to get what i was telling u and ur friends through, which again was very simply and briefly stated.
I will try to write again about what i believe regarding Islam being one step ahead, but not right now since i must run..
Have a beautiful day Haal.
Still waiting for what you believe regarding Islam being one step ahead. Wish you would give it more time like you give to defending yourself.
although i already commented about that.. Ya Haal Prophet Muhammed and the Sa7aba did not work so hard for people to come today and question things about religion in the manner you do.. not question in terms of understandings, but the sort of understandings that lead towards refutations, that is what is unacceptable
What are you talking about. I seriously think you lack a lot of reading. Go read and stop shouting slogans that you hear.
rahmanium, what is that supposed to mean? Can u please clarify what u want to say to me? Maybe some one else would understand, but unfortunately i didn't.
well Rahmanium i am waiting for a comment .. for others too, to understand because i think maybe some one else might have not understood
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