Protocols of The Elders of Zion, Responsibility of 9/11 incident and fianlly Does the State of Israel have the right to exist?

Peace be on all you people out there. This is a comment in response to Mr. Elstevo, a commentator or Flanstein's Blog. The comments are about the Post Islam – evil on a stick.

Please feel free to check out the post and the post before it titled The mind of a Moslem, whatever that meant!!!!!

(http://flanstein.blogspot.com/ - Post titled Islam – evil on a stick and also connected to the post "The mind of a Moslem")

Elstevo said
Since you never actually anwsered ANY of Flanstein's claims, let ME ask three simple questions:

Dalulla said
I do not think you read my comments thoroughly because I did answer and had questions myself that none were answered to, not by Flanstein nor anyone else.

Elstevo said
What do you think of The Protocols of The Elders of Zion?

Dalulla said
These protocols are not something that the Arabs or Moslems invented, as a matter of fact were invented or discovered by the Europeans.

Kindly read, this is something I copied out for you from a site off the net. Reference: http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mzionprotocol.html
(I do not fully agree to it but will explain later).

"The Protocols are the classic statement of the old notion of an international Jewish conspiracy. They purport to be the text of discussions showing how Jews planned to take over the world and enslave non-Jews. They've long been an excuse to persecute Jews and have been promoted by many famous and powerful people, including some in the U.S.

In 1920, Henry Ford started a newspaper for the purpose of attacking Jews and communists. His paper, the Dearborn Independent, "printed every conceivable staple of contemporary anti-Semitism, including the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" (A Legacy of Hate: Anti-Semitism in America, by Ernest Volkman, p. 33).

A U.S. Congressman, Hamilton Fish of New York, once used his office to distribute copies of the Protocols. Accused of anti-Semitism, he responded, "It doesn't bother me any. There's been too much Jewism going around anyway." He was defeated in his 1944 re-election bid (A Legacy of Hate, p. 42).

Where did the Protocols come from? Binjamin Segel's book (translated and edited by Richard S. Levy), A Lie and a Libel: The History of the ''Protocols of the Elders of Zion'' begins with a likely timeline. According to Segel, the Protocols were most likely fabricated in Paris between 1897 and 1899 under the supervision of the head of the Russian secret police abroad, Pyotr Ivanovich Rachkovsky. The intent was "to strengthen the czar Nicholas II's position by exposing his opponents as allies with those who were part of a massive conspiracy to take over the world" (Skeptic's Dictionary, http://skepdic.com/protocols.html.)

The first known publication of the Protocols was August 26-September 3, 1903, when they appeared in abbreviated form in the Russian language paper Znamia ("The Banner"). In 1905, Sergei Nilus published the "full" version as an appendix to his book Velikoe v Malom ("The Great in the Small"). In 1906, another version was published by G. Butmi in his book Vragi Roda Chelovecheskago ("Enemies of the Human Race").

In 1917, Nilus, who had already published the Protocols two more times, produced yet another edition, this time attributing them to Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern political Zionism, i.e., Jewish nationalism.

In 1919, anti-communist Russians distributed copies of the Protocols to members of the U.S. cabinet, judiciary, and intelligence agencies. Henry Ford's edition appeared in 1920, as I said, and the document received attention in the British press as well. Thirty-three editions are known to have appeared by 1933.

In 1921, a reporter for the Times of London, Philip Graves, found that the Protocols had been plagiarized. As it turned out, there were two sources: Dialogue between Machiavelli and Montesquieu in Hell, an 1864 satire of the French ruler Napoleon III by Parisian lawyer Maurice Joly, and Biarritz, an 1868 novel by German anti-Semite Hermann Goedsche.

Goedsche is credited with developing the whole “Jewish plan of world conquest” idea. Biarritz features a chapter, “In the Jewish Cemetery of Prague,” in which the princes of the twelve tribes of Israel gather at the cemetery to report the progress of their world takeover schemes. As Segel said in A Lie and a Libel, “The plot bore such a striking resemblance to the one developed in the Protocols that any reasonable person must conclude that either both were written by the same man or one was plagiarized from the other” (emphasis in original).
Segel continues: “Thus the world-conquering plans of the Elders of Zion came out of Goedsche’s trashy novel. But the Elders’ political dogmas and schemes, as well as the moral principles that were their foundation, came almost word for word from the speeches of Machiavelli in Joly’s petty satire on Napoleon III.”

Graves debunked the Protocols in the Times, the first in a long series of refutations. Among others, a South African court ruled them a forgery and a Swiss court declared them a fraud.
Faced with the facts, some early promoters of the Protocols repented. Henry Ford published the Protocols along with his other anti-Semitic articles in a book entitled The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem. But in 1927, he publicly retracted and apologized for the book, claiming his assistants had duped him.

But Ford was the exception. Others continued to publish the Protocols in other countries long after they'd been debunked.

A few even managed to explain away the evidence of plagiarism. Segel relates that Lord Alfred Douglas, an anti-Semitic leader in London, said that Joly was actually a Jew originally named Moses Joel, who interwove the real Jewish plan for world conquest into his satire. This meant that showing the Protocols were extremely similar to his satire proved nothing--of course they were, because they both were talking about the same real event!

The truth is, the Protocols were a useful weapon against the Jews, and those who propagated them in all likelihood didn't care if they were true or not. In 1933, excerpts were read at the Romanian parliament by Fascists as a reason to expel Jews from the country. Hitler cited them in Mein Kampf and again when castigating the Jews as warmongers in 1939. Franco cited the Protocols in his denunciations of the Jews as well.

You'd think the Protocols might have been put to rest after World War II and the Holocaust, but no. Communists in the Soviet Union used the Protocols to stir up anti-Jewish sentiment, and they continued to be circulated around the world. Segel's timeline continues all the way up to 1994 (his book was published in 1995), when an Australian edition was produced by Christian fundamentalists.

Dalulla said
I would like to bring up something. The definition of "a rumor".
Rumor: an assertion or set of assertions widely repeated though its truth is unconfirmed by facts or evidence.

"A rumor goes in one ear and out many mouths," reads an ancient Chinese proverb. In the original Latin, "rumor" was a synonym for "noise." Rumors, gossip and hearsay have long been regarded — and derided — as forms of idle, destructive chatter.

Though unreliable by their very nature, rumors can prove to be true, however. "Rumor is not always wrong," noted Tacitus, the Roman historian. The crux of the matter isn't truth value per se, but the absence of verification.

All this fuss about the Protocols of Elder Zion may have a truth in it. But there is part which I do know is fact.

Please note the following:

Where I am concerned, Yes I do believe there is a very careful conspiracy from the (please mark my words) "Zionists" to claim the land from the Nile to the Euphrates as theirs, I don’t know if their dreams went as far as claiming the world, but this I do know and have seen it on their local televisions! First hand, not second hand news! They teach the children in school "Dawlet Israel men el Nil lel Furat – the state of Israel is from the Nile to the Euphrates – ").

And moreover the Zionists' attitudes in many aspects where hatred towards the middle east. There are efforts to veil this slow crawling through their never ending efforts to make agreements with neighboring countries. It is too obvious. It's just so funny. The stupidest thing to do is to underestimate people's intelligence. To think some one is stupid or dumb is the first big mistake anyone can make. Never underestimate a person's mentality, no matter how dumb or stupid "you may choose to think" they are!

Why have they come to Egypt in efforts of conquering our land? They managed to conquer Sinai but only for a while. Again too bad, were pushed out, and yet are still most welcomed in it to visit and stay as long as they wish to, and get first class treatment as well!

You should see Sharm El Sheikh during Jewish national holidays and holy events! It is packed with Jews and people from Israel. I personally made some friends there too. Only the ones I made friends with were peace loving people. They just want to live and let others live without bothering anyone and were not for the existence of the Israeli state. A State established on the blood of the original owners of the land!

Why else would they have secretly allied with the United States Forces in the War on Iraq. It is known to every one they were taking part in it! But too bad, they came out empty handed so far or maybe not so empty handed, but with more disrespect along with any other country that did not admit that this aggression was unfair.

Off topic from your question, but I would like to add, In the United States and in England there are still marches demanding that the troops from both countries be brought back safe home (that was on your local News just yesterday!!!). Why in God's name won't you see the truth? Why can't you admit that the soldiers on these frontiers are being tortured in a war that is not theirs to fight? Why can't you feel the anguish of all your fellow American's families who are sleepless worrying about a close kin? What's in it for you? Maybe because none of your own relatives is in this you cannot feel it, but for me as a Moslem, I feel the pain of each mother worried sick for her son out there, I feel for the fathers, the sisters and the sons and daughters. I feel for them all. And I also feel for the Iraqis in anguish. Don't you see? There is anguish on both sides!

Elstevo said

Who was responsible for 9/11?

Dalulla said

The oppression and injustice of the Foreign Policies of the United States Government against the middle East is responsible.

And by saying so I AM NOT justifying the act, because under no circumstance shall I by any means defend it. But I must admit, it was a result of pressure that was not and still is not being properly contained by the Foreign Policies. And till the United States Government minds its own business or show respect and justice towards the Middle East, the nightmare will continue to recur.

It is something no one desires believe me. What's in bloodshed and insecurity for any one? Can you tell me? What good would the mass murders serve Us Moslems or any one else? By logic it will become an ongoing circle of violence which is the case now. The war on terrorism is doing nothing but increasing it, but not just in our part of the world, but in many other countries that are needless of this agony!

Trust me this will not change as long as the attitude towards the Middle East changes. Some people just got fed up with the arrogant and interfering attitude of the Foreign Policies of United States government. When Bill Clinton was President there was no violence to these extremes, Actually nothing in comparison to what has been happening and still is. If you open your eyes just a bit and walk out of this nutshell you insist to stay in, you will realize that violence increased when Mr. Bush came in Presidency.

Look at his face, how he has aged drastically during this short period of time. I believe it is the result of the extreme stress he's brought onto himself. Never have we heard of tampering with Polls during a presidency election as the whole world witnessed during this last election, never have we heard and seen a percentage so big amongst the United States citizens not wanting a president the way it happened during this last election. Come on please try to be a bit rational, set aside this one track mindedness and open your eyes to see the facts that the whole world witnessed. Not just the Arab Moslems and non Arab Moslems but also many Christians and Jews as well!

Elstevo said

Does Israel have a right to exist?

Dalulla said
Yes, of course it does. But DEFINITELY not on the account of any other nation. Not by demolitions, not by threatening people and bullying them out of their "homelands", not by taking away the air they breathe, and not by believing that Jewish blood is more valuable than any other Human beings' is. Because for fact it is no better.

WE are all human and what makes us different is how we act towards one another. Anyone who is respectable will definitely earn Respect.

P.S. Kindly check out my post titled Netuerei Karta International (Jews United Against Zionism). I do not hate Jews, but I despise Zionists in all senses LOUD AND CLEAR WITH ALL MY HEART!!!