Iraq Invasion List!?
Iraq/War On Terror
The president has offered no timeline for withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq, saying he intends to maintain a U.S. presence there until the country is stable and run by a democratically elected government.
He plans to seek additional help from other countries in securing Iraq while it is rebuilt, and has ruled out instituting a draft to bolster the U.S. military should the situation worsen or drag on.
Amid the uncertainty in Iraq, it is not clear whether Mr. Bush will devote a greater share of his second-term attention to the worldwide dragnet for Osama bin Laden.
It is hard to estimate the long-term costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, but 2004's expenses alone may approach $100 billion.
source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/27/opinion/main886895.shtml
I just do not understand, what's in it for the United States' citizens if Iraq or Afghanistan or any other country is stable or not? Why do all of these Americans soldiers have to be there instead of doing something "constructive" with their lives? Why are their lives being sacrificed like this? And moreover Bush wants to drag in other countries as well? Phewww!
Weren't the American people better off with the $100 billion in their own country? ???
Why can't Bush pay more attention to his own internal affairs? To his country's economy instead of this wild goose chase where plenty of money is being trashed and worst of all valuable lives both from the American side and the Iraqi's (no money will ever compensate anyone for their kin's injuries. Let alone lives!).
God knows how much more will be spent? How many more lives spared from both sides? Till when? WHY?
Honestly for what reason is all this happening? 9/11 I assume? Is it really worth all this? Or are there other reasons?
Has anyone convinced this man that he is ruling the world? Someone please enlighten me. Otherwise, what's really in it for him? He is becoming infamous in many parts around the world, so it cannot possibly be fame.
Please check this article out: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/27/opinion/main886895.shtml
Katrina and Rita are sure not getting his attention much. Perhaps a "MIGHTY ZEUS" would? But I sure hope not for the sake of the American people.
posted by Dalulla at 2:16 AM
19 Comments:
I just do not understand, what's in it for the United States' citizens if Iraq or Afghanistan or any other country is stable or not?
I see no reason why American blood should be shed and US dollars should be pissed away trying to bring democracy to any Islamic country. If they want democracy let them earn it themselves.
Our focus should be on securing our own borders and developing new sources of energy so we can reduce our reliance on Middle Eastern oil. And of course
we need to hunt down OBL and his group.
I believe the sooner we are out of the Middle East, physically and financially, the better.
I think another reason why Bush invaded Iraq was to set up some long term military bases in the Middle East.
I think our time is limited in Saudi Arabia and an American presence next door to Iran, Syria, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia is intended to let they players in the area know the US is watching.
Having said that, I still think we need to get out, physically and financially, from the Middle East.
Americans, even average Americans, are getting sick of it. That was the REAL story out of this last anti war march. Not the numbers, but the TYPES of people that turned out.
Infidel,
I thought you said that your resources are better off spent in your country. Then immediately you mentioned Osama bin laden? How come? It is not that i am defending him, but that search will also require money to be spent and wars to be made! Don't you recall the war on Afghanistan? Why kill innocent people for OBL and his group. Trust me. If OBL is hunted down, more of him will arise. The problem should be first dealt with from within.. The United States foreign Policies need to be re-evaluated for no more OBL's to pop up.
We also believe the sooner the US gets out the better. For us and for you.
Steve,
I totally agree with you. You summed it up, couldn't have said it better. Thank you
Infidel,
Now why would Mr. Bush wanna set up some long term military bases in the Middle East?
Why would America wanna watch? and watch what? Honestly i've never seen such unwanted presence such as this? WATCHERS??? Is the US our guardian or something? Yes it is about time for the US troops to go back safe home, they are even sick of it for God's sake! Their lives are on hold! For what? Honestly for what? It is not doing any good is it? It hasn't stopped any terrorism, but increased it. And moreover the US's economy and human resources are being affected negatively. So really what's the point?
Abu Sian,
Do you think those marches are being heard? Iam not belittling the efforts but do you think Bush is paying any attention? or will?
Infidel,
just one more thing, It is provoking unwanted irrational negative reactions and giving way to more and more instability world wide! Not just confined to the middle East and America.
Dalulla,
Our resources are better off spent internally but that does not mean we let OBL kill thousands of people in our country and not hold him accountable. We don't, however, need a war and thousands of troops to hunt down OBL. We could do it with a small team of special operations soldiers, very much like how the Israelis tracked down and killed the remaining Munich Olympic terrorists. I do not believe that killing OBL will stop terrorism but he has to pay for his actions.
Again, I believe we need to be out of the Middle East physically and financially so I don't know what the point of trying to bring democracy to the Middle East is. I can't read Bush's mind but perhaps he's setting up long term bases in Iraq so the US can watch those who openly and regularly call for our destruction.
Do you think it would be best for all Western Countries to get out of the Middle East?
Thanks.
I think Bush is just playing it by ear, letting things dangle the way they are till his term ends, then let the next president deal with the mess!
to say other wise, he would have to take action now to withdraw and stuff, and it is just too much of a headache for him to do. he will jsut pass the time on his ranch or something. Seriously, I think he is the worst president America has ever had (in recent histroy), for both his country and the rest of the world. Why they have RE-elected him is beyond me.
Democracy cannot be imposed from without; it has to be wished for from within. It's for the people of Iraq to choose what form of governemnt they'd like and whether they are in fact ready for it. If unnaturally inducted, Democracy in Iraq may be very short lived, and what may follow is anyones guess; your worst nightmare come true!
Islam and democracy are not compatible - the faster we realize that fact - the faster we can get out of the middle east entirely. It needs to sink into the cesspool of history...
The picture said it all, there is NO reason.
...Obviously I'm not counting as "reason's", as the "Terrorist Threat" which is in fact a guise to implement and maitain the establishment of political agents and military bases in the Middle East to rape oil resources and preserve suez.
...and Flanstein.... maybe you should look a bit closer at inner city USA if you want to refer to a "cesspool"!
Hi id it is,
The issue of democracy is not the problem. Every one wants democracy and to live under a fair regime. The problem is the unwanted intervention. Id it is, you mentioned "unnaturally" and that was what I meant by unwanted foreign intervention, whether it was the United States or any other country. If two people are having a quarrel and someone comes in (assuming good intentions), in some cases may get themselves in trouble especially if the timing is wrong. Moreover, using violence is certainly not the manner that should be used to solve a problem between two people. But if and when the situation calms down or is on hold not even necessarily that calm) say a third party feels they want to "help" I believe the first rational and ethical thing to do is "ask" if the intervention is needed or not and the reactions may be as follows:
1) No thank you we can manage, it is a "private and internal issue" but "we really appreciate your concern".
2) Yes, we would gladly like to have a third opinion; maybe since you are not "at all" involved in the problem, may be you might be able to help us sort this out. "Thank you".
3) In the case the third party walks in uninvited and gets violent with the aggressor, the other two parties may very well forget what the original fight was about and back one another up (since it was a private issue between two related people or close or whatever) and start fighting with the third party! Then the fight will gather more and more people not even knowing what the fight was about but will get dragged in anyway and maybe find out bits and pieces but the problem will definitely not be contained but other problems will arise and the whole situation grow immensely negative!
I remembered this saying I heard of here in the middle east which I think applies to this situation. I think it has been and is said in situations of dispute.. "My brother and I will back up against our cousin, but we all back one another up against an outsider!
The worst nightmare is already happening. Not just in Iraq Id it is, in many places as a reaction to the United States war on terrorism. Steve mentioned earlier it perpetuated the conditions which cause terrorism to begin with.
Believe me Id, the Foreign Policies are just increasing the hatred more and more and that will do no one any good. Not to any one in the Middle East nor the United States.
The worst thing in my opinion is, it is a matter of government policies that either serves the people of its country or puts them in awkward and unwanted situations.
I am always talking to people and asking them to differentiate between government policies and people from the country. I do not believe in generalizations. They are injust. No one can accuse a whole nation of being good or bad, bias or fair, but what happens is some people reach their peak from injustice and cannot take it anymore.
Who pays the price? Innocent people from both sides who may very well be neutral or even pro anti prejudices.
An example was (I cannot recal her name) the woman that was beheaded in Iraq some months ago, and she was married to an Iraqi and was working for some peaceful organization. There are many other similar cases who have become victims of this growing unjustified and irrational blind hatred resulting from "unwanted intervention" in so many aspects and issues in the Middle East. Just wanted to add, Islam is innocent from terrorism in all senses.
Glad to have you here, you have a very nice blog by the way. I enjoyed reading some of your posts.
Flanstein
You do not know anything about Islam except for the bits and pieces of incomplete information(that you choose to cut out and past) or democracy for all I care, otherwise you wouldn't have been posting the things you have on your blog the way you have.
So please drop this issue till you really understand what Islam is all about and what democracy "really" means. Democracy is not confined to certain people Flanstein. Unless if your understanding of democracy means "Totally BIAS + Lots of HATRED and INJUSTICE" which I am sorry to tell you is not the case.
Cesspool huh? I assure you, you are full of contradictions and it seems even you don't realize it! In your post titled "Islam Enforced in Ontario?" you mentioned that Islam is having its way.
I quote your words: "Unremarked by most Westerners, Islam’s presence has started to change their way of life."
That is of course against your will since you evaluated it in the negative and bias sense you always do, which is typical of you.
And by the way, the result of this unwanted effect to everyone also came as a reaction to "the war on terror claim" whatever that meant.
You tell me, how were things before that very unwise decision made by the Bush Admin.?
I really apologize for saying so Flanstein, but it is beyond doubt useless commenting to you. You will always have this one track mind so filled with hate mixed with plenty of insecurity. That is your only out put so far, haven't seen anything nice or sensible and doubt I will from your side!
Not even on your blog! Nothing but hate filled posts!
I can't believe this, how do you manage to sleep at night with all this radiant and energetic hatred you have in you?
Let me tell you this All of your insults and despicable claims about Islam and Moslems do not worry me at all. There are many sensible and civilized people out there, especially in America and Canada.
Jamal,
...Obviously I'm not counting as "reason's", as the "Terrorist Threat" which is in fact a guise to implement and maitain the establishment of political agents and military bases in the Middle East to rape oil resources and preserve suez.
Thank you JAMAL!
The Problem is, Flanstein just turns his back on whatever he dislikes or does not appeal to him and starts ranting or being offensive thinking it'll distract people from the "FACTS" or goes and writes another bias post thinking it'll really make a difference to any sensible and reasonable person.
Jamal your blog is great. Posts are really worth reading.
Infidel Army,
A small team is a good idea, why not propose that to the bush administration and please tell me if the administration responds. Again, other OBLs will keep popping up and much worse as long as the Foreign Policies stay the same. Small team or no small team, I think it is too late for that now.
Let Bush sit back with a bag of pop corn or while playing golf and watch through satellites that are peeping and snooping into every one's lives and spare your troops the trouble. At least no one would have to get hurt!
Do you think it would be best for all Western Countries to get out of the Middle East?
It depends what do you mean by Western Countries? Do you mean as military troops or as in mere peaceful presence for work, studies or tourism?
If as troops, definitely yes, we'd appreciate Good bye. All other options are and have always been more than welcome. I think many Europeans however would actually not want to go back, or else would have long time ago if the conditions were so unsuitable for them wouldn't they?
Who told you that we want anyone to bring democracy into our countries? Why bring something we already have? And if we don't we are grown ups, can handle our own affairs in the best manner possible. If and when needed, we'll definitely ask. Has anyone ever asked for anything from the United States government? Hmmm.. I don't think so. So I'd really like to know, where did the US government get this notion from?
You are most welcome. Any time Infidel
Some say that Osama bin Laden is dead and has been for some time, that the US government is hiding it and using it to justify their military actions...check it out
here..
Sorry for the broken link...here it is...
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html
dalulla,
I think you are referring to Margaret Hassan who worked for CARE.
I'm a Libertarian so neither the Republicans nor Democrats listen to me, but I keep trying :) I usually get a form letter back thanking me for my comment and assuring me they are doing all they can do to please everyone.
When I say Western Countries I mean anything related to the west which includes culture, military, tourist, students, etc. OBL and many like him don't want anything Western (culture, military, tourism, etc.) in Islamic countries. And frankly, if Muslims are going to come to my country expecting we change our culture to suit their culture (1, 2, 3), then I don't want them in my country. However, I would love it if all peoples could co-exist in a peaceful and respectful manner. I will do my part to achieve this goal but I will fight to protect my culture and freedoms if necessary.
I think the international community expects a lot from the United States. I recall reading many comments accusing the US of not doing enough to help the tsunami victims. We give billions every year to counties all over the world.
If Islamic countries don't want the US in their countries, they shouldn't take the money.
Thanks.
The Infidel Army said...
dalulla,
I think you are referring to Margaret Hassan who worked for CARE.
Yes sadly I am. Thank you for reminding me of her name. I pray she rests in peace. Remembering these incidents is very intimidating. I hate violence. I guess most of us do and those who don't, should.
I'm a Libertarian so neither the Republicans nor Democrats listen to me, but I keep trying :) I usually get a form letter back thanking me for my comment and assuring me they are doing all they can do to please everyone.
When I say Western Countries I mean anything related to the west which includes culture, military, tourist, students, etc. OBL and many like him don't want anything Western (culture, military, tourism, etc.) in Islamic countries.
What OBL wants is not what every one wants or at least the way he wants it with all its extremes. Do you honestly believe that this is what every Moslem wants? Enmity and segregation and that is it? Honestly? We've been living alongside with none Arabs and none Moslems for centuries Infidel. There are many positive aspects in Western societies that many of us have benefited from and still are. That no one can deny.
What Moslems do not want is unwanted intervention in our internal affairs, political and especially social, the way that America has profoundly been practicing for quite some time in History.
But never has an American president done what Bush is doing. Never has the American Government been so hated as it is now. All Moslems want is to maintain their own identity, to protect and maintain and practice without the prying and manipulation the American government. For God's sake, your government interferes into every thing and what is more annoying is that our presidents are the ones who allowed that to happen.
I personally believe they let that happen because of personal gain, lack of faith and fear.
Once you let someone step on you, they will enjoy it and keep on doing it over and over again. Maybe because you have been living in your country and haven’t experienced what we have on our side you are not really or fully aware of the true picture.
For many years your government and media have been only telling you what they want you to know, veiled under the very big flag of democracy and picturing the Middle East in General as savage.
I swear to you I am not trying to be offensive. I have nothing against American people as I have mentioned multiple times, whether they are Christian, Jew, or even atheists. I would have a stand only in the case of someone speaking ill of my religion or origin without justification, which I think is fair enough and is my and others' rights that no one should deny.
Finally just to conclude this bit about Western cultures, I know most Moslems have no problem with the western presence in our countries as long as they also respect our culture and religion. All we want is to live and let others live as well. Other than that they are free to live in our countries and we have always had them and always will to co-exist peacefully as you mentioned.
But what is not and will not be acceptable or tolerable is the presence of military bases and troops on our lands unless by choice we request that presence. For them to be invited and needed is something and barging in and unwanted is a totally different issue.
Infidel please, please, please try to put yourself in our shoes, just for a little while. How would you feel if Egypt for instance was a stronger and more influential country and all of a sudden our president felt like he does not feel your government is doing you well, and barges in to your country, uninvited and violates your own peace for "whatever reason". What impact would that have on you? Even if your president was a tyrant, why do so many innocent people have to die in the process? Why not resort to peaceful means and if all fails then so be it. At least the intervening president would have done what he could peacefully to help. But what is happening and has happened is not acceptable by any means, it is really stimulating more and more violence, and please note well, some people when pressured become blindly violent, giving in to anger is a flaw in human nature, especially when under repetitive pressure and feelings of humiliation from others... Not every one is strong and can have a grip over their anger. Prophet Mohammed has warned against reactions in anger over and over, but believe me, those people have gone way out of limit. But at the same time, pressure and humiliation works miracles at bringing out evil!
They may really regret what they did, but after it is too late. Or may never even get the chance to even that what they did, had done them personally wrong and others as well, especially in God's view.
To kill a human is as if you have killed all, and to revive one is as if you have revived all mankind. That is what Allah has mentioned in the Quraan. If you notice, no religious preference has been mentioned, but any human.
And frankly, if Muslims are going to come to my country expecting we change our culture to suit their culture (1, 2, 3), then I don't want them in my country.
Why do you say that? I have read through the links, I assume when you said that you were referring to the prayers issue. Why would anyone's prayers mean that they want you to change your culture? They only want to pray? What crime is in that? Have they demanded everyone in their company to do the same? Please be a bit fair in what you say and what you have used as examples.
When a woman wears Hijab, she is not attempting to change your own culture, she is just maintaining a God given order that she is willingly doing to gain blessings. Why would that bother anyone?
The sky has no boundaries; the earth has been naturally created with no walls segregating people from one another. The earth and sky can shelter all of us, and as a matter of fact still are. We all want to live in peace, one goes to church and the other to a mosque and a third to the temple or shrine or where ever they choose to go. As long as no transgression occurs then why would there be any violence? Think about it, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I again do not justify terrorism, nor does any Moslem who truly follows Islamic doctrines or even has a proper functioning brain in their heads.
But what I realized has been and still is happening every time some terror happens you generalize and it stirs you up against all Moslems? What sense/logic or justice is that?
However, I would love it if all peoples could co-exist in a peaceful and respectful manner. I will do my part to achieve this goal but I will fight to protect my culture and freedoms if necessary.
Fair enough, why deny others that same right Infidel, and why generalize? After the bombings in Indonesia, on the news there was this English young lady who said something quite interesting, she said why leave, it can happen anywhere. It happened in England didn't it?
Do you honestly feel there is any justice at all in what has happened and still is in Palestine?
Do you feel that it is Fair the United States has the right to numerous nuclear weapons and plants yet denies our side to have the same? Oh and not only that may go to war to disarm the country if it refuses (the case with Iran, and the alleged reason for war on Iraq)
DO you feel that the open threats towards Iran or Syria are just or fair?
Do you feel that Israel being allowed to have nuclear plants while others are being denied is fair? And why hasn't the United States object to Israel's possession nuclear technology?
Do you believe that the way The State of Israel has been established has any ethics or justice in it?
Do you justify the assassinations or human rights violations against Palestineans citizens and prisoners?
Do you feel that Guantanamo abides to any Human rights policies?
Do you feel that what happened and is still happening in Iraq is fair?
Do you feel that racism is fair?
Do you feel that Jewish Blood is any different or better than any other blood?
Do you feel that the attempted invasion of Sinai or Egypt as a whole was fair?
Do you feel that any of the European invasions and colonization that have occurred throughout the history of the Middle East from Europeans was justified?
Do you feel that Condoleezza Rice does not deserve her position just because she is Black?
There are so many questions all related to an unbalanced scale in treatment where the USA and Europe may be raised. I know Moslems are not flawless and have had their share of mistakes as well, but do you know why? Because they have abandoned so much of What Islam teaches and the result is what befell them from humiliation from any one no matter whom. Religion teaches respect of one self and others and reverence and fear of the Creator only. It tells us that those who rule is should be just and apply the law to themselves before applying it to those they rule, there should not be personal gain or arrogance.. So many things have been lost over the years. People think it is modernization, whilst I would personally label it as "humiliation" to oneself and others!
I am almost crying writing this Infidel, and I stopped and thought whether I should mention it or not, but I want you to read this over and over again please with some consideration free of bias or anger filled feelings.
I am crying to feel how far all humans are growing apart from one another and at the hate that people have towards one another.
We all live only once. I really want you to read every word I've written and will write with your mind and heart, because as I address you and address whoever is reading I am doing the same.
If only you knew truly what Islam teaches, what beauty and justice and love it calls for, maybe would understand what I meant by mistakes and humiliation brought onto oneself due to the abandoning of the essences of Islam. If only you knew what Prophet Muhammed has told us through revelation and what Allah the compassionate the merciful has also told us, all more than 1,400 years ago. So much about things that are happening today, even right now, maybe you would believe me. There came a time when I doubted and questioned why I was a Moslem. It is encouraged in Islam to understand and be convinced of why you are a Moslem. We are encouraged to ask and understand things, and not merely be Moslems on paper. What God wants us to be Moslems in heart and mind. By the way Islam means submission to the will of God, and what better will could there be over that of a loving and just God. Only then can we be true Moslems, if only you would know what I personally went through before and after I have truly deserved to be called a Moslem at least between myself and God.
Let me tell you something, I was only a Moslem on paper for quite some time, not a proper practicing Moslem where some aspects are concerned.
I did used to pray and fast during Ramadan (which I thank god for). But for instance never felt the beauty and spirituality of the five main obligatory prayers of the day as I have felt for the past about 6 years. Now I feel how lucky knowing each time I pray, I will be without any distractions between the kind hands of God. He is listening to me! He is looking at me with patience and love, He is hearing my requests and not only that, but if truly sincere, also answers to them and grants me my requests. If I decide to give charity for the sake of God and decide to be left with nothing, he grants me 10 times what I have given! (It truly does happen, not making it up, and that is what God promises and actually does fulfill). While I pray I feel his compassion and mercy, I feel his might and strength, I fear his punishment because I love him, but know He is the all forgiving, so my main drive at the end of the day is to satisfy He who I love and is the most worthy of love. I swear to you all of this and more is true. Miracles of the supplication truly do take place. The more sincere, the quicker the answer, and it is enough for us to know that in the case they are not answered immediately, we are patient because we know for sure He will answer in his good time. All of this is mentioned in the Quraan and for those who truly believe it works. That is the only condition set forth by God for our prayers to be answered. Sincerity and love of Allah and belief in the unknown and beyond reason. He then gives us knowledge, blessings and logical reasons.
You cannot imagine how I feel writing this down right now. You cannot imagine the care I am writing this to you with. You cannot imagine that I wish I could be given a chance to talk to you and many others face to face so that you may truly understand the extreme strong feeling of care and love Islam enjoins on us towards all people.
Islam is truly a peaceful religion. Those who are wrong doers will be severely judged by God. At least you can count on that. God is just and despises injustice. No human punishment or revenge is equal or near equal to that of the Fury of God over the transgressors and murderers. I am emphasizing it again, BE sure that Allah will not be light in judging any transgressor. Killing anyone, not just Moslems. Faith is something between God and his creation. It is not up to OBL or any other person to go out to war for any reason other than the following:
"To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to defend themselves), because they are wronged - and verily, Allah is Most Powerful to give them victory - (they are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right - (for no cause) except that they say, 'Our Lord is Allah'.... " 22:39-40
At the same time, hanging on to one's religious duties does not mean any one wants to change your culture. There are so many other religions that are being practiced in America, even new trends of man made religions. Why is it always Islam that is so bad? Just because some insane maniacs are using it’s name for their unjustified terror does not by any means mean that Islam is to be held accountable.
Do you have any idea what I have been going through lately to continue and keep up with comments here or at Falnstein's? I am a mother for a two and nine months very active boy, I have duties to fulfill towards my home and husband plus other obligations almost all day. I almost don't sleep to do this. And moreover, when I was being insulted and mocked the way I have been on Flan's blog, what do you think kept me from using the same approach and still kept me going.
I swear to you, it is my faith in Islam. What Islam encourages is not to respond to wrong doings with the same, but to meet it with patience and tolerance:
"O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah's witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety and fear Allah. And Allah is well acquainted with all that you do." 5:8
Here Allah encourages people not to let their feelings of anger become a drive. We are to restrain our anger and when in a calm and rational mood to take action. In other words, haste makes waste.
"And of those whom We have created there is a nation who guides with the Truth and establishes justice with it." 7:181
"Lo! Allah enjoins justice and kindness, and giving to kinsfolk, and forbids lewdness and abomination and wickedness. He exhorts you in order that you may take heed." 16:90
Moreover, Islam cannot be imposed on anyone; it will simply not be accepted by God. We must deal with people regardless of their faith unless our faith is being done wrongly, it is a simple right, if you are done wrong, you must at least defend yourself, but not by violence unless it is introduced, but should not be introduced from our side by any means. That is what I have been trying to get through to all of you on Flanstein's blog. But sadly I could not manage to even be given a fair chance. But honestly, I feel good that at least I did not give in to the mockery or let it affect me in a negative sense. I just pray God accepts these efforts and I know that he will, because I did what he commanded me to do. I did not meet wrong with wrong.
I think the international community expects a lot from the United States. I recall reading many comments accusing the US of not doing enough to help the tsunami victims. We give billions every year to counties all over the world.
If Islamic countries don't want the US in their countries, they shouldn't take the money.
If it were up to the people, we would not have taken anything. If most Moslems had hung onto their faith the way God told us, we would not have needed anything from anyone.
The fact and the matter is, it has been mentioned in the Quraan that those amongst the Moslems who do not have strong faith in what Allah has mentioned regarding his power to grant financial or whatever other worldly needs that an individual may require, and in the case of them having weak faith they shall be the poorest of poor in the sad and unsatisfactory sense. This is one amongst many proofs of the authenticity of God's words to us in the Quraan and also what Prophet Muhammed has advised us of. Those who are poor should thank God and be patient and God shall give them blessings in whatever little they have and grant them serenity to be accepting and to live with dignity. Those who have wealth should give to the needy and not be self centered and shall be tested what they have done with the wealth they have been granted. That is why we have the Zakat (an annual 2 and one half% of whatever savings a person has should be given to the needy, I just gave a glimpse about it, just for purposes of explaining) to make a balance in society. Many Moslems do not pay attention to that, and that is one reason why there is no balance. Excessively rich or poor is the trend. The post of Um Reham by doshar on my blog shows how a poor woman has dignity and acceptance to God's destiny and has managed over the years to support her two girls and at the same time to live with dignity and never asked for charity from people, but asks God for support and He grants it because she is amongst those whom God referred to as Patient.
Believe me, most of the believing people of our countries do not want anything from anyone, not as a gesture of mere hateful refusal because it is The United States. But because we do know that if our rulers were true practicing Moslems, this would not have become our status now.
I hope I somehow clarified and got through to you something which is just a drop out of a wide sea of information.
All I wish and pray is if you can whole heartedly, get a Quraan, and read it all through and go to someone that is known to be a straight and moderate Moslem scholar just to have an idea, away from any of the widespread misconceptions and misunderstandings about this faith and to get to know it just for the sake of knowledge. If you choose to do so, try to clear your mind and free your heart of any hatred, and let not the current events have any affect on you for just a little while.
I really appreciate our back and forth comments because you gave it a chance and gave me a chance to at least try to say my side of the story with no mockery involved.
I sincerely thank you for being amicable in this ……… No offense intended but I don't want use your nickname, but I know you can really have a better one, a nicer one at least away from any word that may indicate violence or hatred or war. Peace is always a better way to resolve issues.
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